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Full self-driving is a vaporware feature separate from the current Autopilot. It's confusing that they would advertise a feature that doesn't exist, but it's no

by chc 9y ago

Full self-driving is a vaporware feature separate from the current Autopilot. It's confusing that they would advertise a feature that doesn't exist, but it's not like they're claiming Autopilot works that way. More importantly, the page where you configure your car explains the distinction very clearly (and charges extra for full self-driving, even though it doesn't exist!), so I doubt anyone has actually bought a Tesla thinking that Autopilot was full self-driving.

FireBeyond 9y ago
From that same page: "Tesla’s Enhanced Autopilot software has begun rolling out and features will continue to be introduced as validation is completed, subject to regulatory approval. " "Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available, as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval." The latter paragraph is very vaguely worded and certainly not very clear that it is non existent as yet.
- chc 9y ago
  Yes, I said in the comment you're replying to that Tesla's advertising for that nonexistent feature was confusing. I'm not sure why you're repeating it back to me. But at any rate, this thread isn't about whether it's clear that the Full Self-Driving software is vaporware. The question is whether people are buying Teslas under the misunderstanding that regular Autopilot is the same thing as Full Self-Driving.
- kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
  It is complete vaporware. Their radar sensors depend on a hokey whitelist database to avoid triggering false positives on "problematic" static structures like billboards and overpasses. Tesla deserves to be sued into the ground for daring to make such audacious claims. It is complete lunacy to believe that this is acceptable for autonomous driving in a dynamic real world environment.
  - Jesus_Jones 9y ago
    actually tesla's ability to deal with dynamism (even without lidar) is something that puts them ahead of most cars. the famous waymo required pre-mapped roads, it didn't work on changes. They even had lidar and they had that restriction. I don't know if they've relaxed it since then.

by chc 9y ago

FireBeyond 9y ago

From that same page: "Tesla’s Enhanced Autopilot software has begun rolling out and features will continue to be introduced as validation is completed, subject to regulatory approval. " "Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available, as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval." The latter paragraph is very vaguely worded and certainly not very clear that it is non existent as yet.

chc 9y ago
Yes, I said in the comment you're replying to that Tesla's advertising for that nonexistent feature was confusing. I'm not sure why you're repeating it back to me. But at any rate, this thread isn't about whether it's clear that the Full Self-Driving software is vaporware. The question is whether people are buying Teslas under the misunderstanding that regular Autopilot is the same thing as Full Self-Driving.
kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
It is complete vaporware. Their radar sensors depend on a hokey whitelist database to avoid triggering false positives on "problematic" static structures like billboards and overpasses. Tesla deserves to be sued into the ground for daring to make such audacious claims. It is complete lunacy to believe that this is acceptable for autonomous driving in a dynamic real world environment.
- Jesus_Jones 9y ago
  actually tesla's ability to deal with dynamism (even without lidar) is something that puts them ahead of most cars. the famous waymo required pre-mapped roads, it didn't work on changes. They even had lidar and they had that restriction. I don't know if they've relaxed it since then.