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taking the position that bullying is fine as long as the victim can't get an assault rifle That's not what I said or even implied. Of course we need to foster

taking the position that bullying is fine as long as the victim can't get an assault rifle That's not what I said or even implied. Of course we need to foster an environment that prevents bullying in the first place too. Doesn't mean we don't need common sense gun control like every other democracy has done that doesn't have the sort of problems with gun violence we have. Furthermore, this constant barrage of specious anecdata of "I grew up with guns and there were no problems" flies in the face of what we know about households with guns statistically. You're far, far, far more likely to be killed with your own gun than to defend yourself lethally with it.

DoreenMichele 9y ago
You literally said you are the poster child for gun control as the logical solution.
- nickbauman 9y ago
  And you keep insisting that gun violence doesn't have anything to do with guns.
  - DoreenMichele 9y ago
    For the 4th time: I have zero problem with banning assault weapons. My problem is with acting like that alone will fix this when it clearly won't. To quote Archie Bunker: "Would you be happier if they were pushed out of windows?" Murder predated the existence of guns. Locking up all guns won't make murder stop. At what point do we address the roots of such problems? "For every man chopping at the roots of evil, there are a thousand chopping at the branches."
    - nickbauman 9y ago
      Are you really arguing with me about anything here or just flexing your sophistry chops? I said that to illustrate that, just as you didn't say that exactly, I didn't say what you're asserting either. I think we can put this to rest now.
giardini 9y ago
nickbauman says>" every other democracy has done that doesn't have the sort of problems with gun violence we have." Statistics don't support what you're saying: https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/ https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from... nickbauman says>"You're far, far, far more likely to be killed with your own gun than to defend yourself lethally with it." The chance that you need to shoot someone to defend yourself, your family or your property or someone else's property is thankfully minuscule. And it is true that owning a weapon of any kind increases the risk of misuse (hence the need for proper education). But how about cases where a weapon was used to defend oneself or break off the attack? Statistics aren't collected on such encounters.
- nickbauman 9y ago
  The crimeresearch link you posted is cherrypicking data like crazy. First it uses a very narrow window of 6 years to make its assertions. Then US gun violence sky high problem isn't just about mass shootings.

DoreenMichele 9y ago

You literally said you are the poster child for gun control as the logical solution.

nickbauman 9y ago
And you keep insisting that gun violence doesn't have anything to do with guns.
- DoreenMichele 9y ago
  For the 4th time: I have zero problem with banning assault weapons. My problem is with acting like that alone will fix this when it clearly won't. To quote Archie Bunker: "Would you be happier if they were pushed out of windows?" Murder predated the existence of guns. Locking up all guns won't make murder stop. At what point do we address the roots of such problems? "For every man chopping at the roots of evil, there are a thousand chopping at the branches."
  - nickbauman 9y ago
    Are you really arguing with me about anything here or just flexing your sophistry chops? I said that to illustrate that, just as you didn't say that exactly, I didn't say what you're asserting either. I think we can put this to rest now.

giardini 9y ago

nickbauman says>" every other democracy has done that doesn't have the sort of problems with gun violence we have." Statistics don't support what you're saying: https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/ https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from... nickbauman says>"You're far, far, far more likely to be killed with your own gun than to defend yourself lethally with it." The chance that you need to shoot someone to defend yourself, your family or your property or someone else's property is thankfully minuscule. And it is true that owning a weapon of any kind increases the risk of misuse (hence the need for proper education). But how about cases where a weapon was used to defend oneself or break off the attack? Statistics aren't collected on such encounters.

nickbauman 9y ago
The crimeresearch link you posted is cherrypicking data like crazy. First it uses a very narrow window of 6 years to make its assertions. Then US gun violence sky high problem isn't just about mass shootings.