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> Moreover, I remember a comment of dang where he said that they were considering to remove all the hellbanning and only use autokilling. I'm not sure if they f

by Kenji 9y ago

> Moreover, I remember a comment of dang where he said that they were considering to remove all the hellbanning and only use autokilling. I'm not sure if they finally made that change. Nope, that change has not been made. I'm hellbanned.

DanBC 9y ago
Not really. Hell banning is a silent action. You don't tell the user they were banned. You got several warnings, and then you were told you were banned. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14938232 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14938232 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14960370 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14960370 EDIT: just for clarity: I'm not a mod.
- Kenji 9y ago
  I didn't mean to complain. I respect and accept your decision to ban me. There are large parts of this community that truly aren't for me. I just wanted to say it to educate the people that the shadowban mechanics are still active, with myself as the example.
- gus_massa 9y ago
  @Kenji : You have a sibling comment that now is [dead]. Do you see it marked as [dead] or it looks to you like a normal comment? How do you know that you are banned? [EDIT: Someone vouched your comment, so I see it now as a normal comment. I was going to vouch it after the experiment :( .] Just to be 100% sure that we are using the same definitions: Can you post a screenshot in imgur of your sibling comment, so we can see how it looks to you? For comparison: I see https://imgur.com/a/1Z3dF https://imgur.com/a/1Z3dF PS: Please don't downvote the GP comment, so we can have a nice conversation. Try to keep it black, or at least dark grey.
  - Kenji 9y ago
    I'm too lazy to make a picture, but I see them solid black like a normal comment, there are no markings like [dead] or anything. Even for that sibling comment. For me it all looks normal except that my comments are always at the bottom.
thisacctforreal 9y ago
It might be "no more shadowbans" rather than "revert all shadow bans".
- amyjess 9y ago
  From what I understand, the ban _mechanism_ is still a shadowban in that you can still post and other users can vouch your comments, but the mods will tell you when they've banned you which goes against the original purpose of shadowbanning (banning people without them catching on).
  - dang 9y ago
    Right, if an account has any substantial history, we tell them we're banning them, usually after multiple warnings. There are some exceptions, like new accounts that are related to past spam or troll activity, or accounts that have been used only to break the site guidelines or post obvious fluff. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20banned https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:sctb%20banned https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

by Kenji 9y ago

DanBC 9y ago

Not really. Hell banning is a silent action. You don't tell the user they were banned. You got several warnings, and then you were told you were banned. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14938232 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14938232 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14960370 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14960370 EDIT: just for clarity: I'm not a mod.

Kenji 9y ago
I didn't mean to complain. I respect and accept your decision to ban me. There are large parts of this community that truly aren't for me. I just wanted to say it to educate the people that the shadowban mechanics are still active, with myself as the example.
gus_massa 9y ago
@Kenji : You have a sibling comment that now is [dead]. Do you see it marked as [dead] or it looks to you like a normal comment? How do you know that you are banned? [EDIT: Someone vouched your comment, so I see it now as a normal comment. I was going to vouch it after the experiment :( .] Just to be 100% sure that we are using the same definitions: Can you post a screenshot in imgur of your sibling comment, so we can see how it looks to you? For comparison: I see https://imgur.com/a/1Z3dF https://imgur.com/a/1Z3dF PS: Please don't downvote the GP comment, so we can have a nice conversation. Try to keep it black, or at least dark grey.
- Kenji 9y ago
  I'm too lazy to make a picture, but I see them solid black like a normal comment, there are no markings like [dead] or anything. Even for that sibling comment. For me it all looks normal except that my comments are always at the bottom.

thisacctforreal 9y ago

It might be "no more shadowbans" rather than "revert all shadow bans".

amyjess 9y ago
From what I understand, the ban _mechanism_ is still a shadowban in that you can still post and other users can vouch your comments, but the mods will tell you when they've banned you which goes against the original purpose of shadowbanning (banning people without them catching on).
- dang 9y ago
  Right, if an account has any substantial history, we tell them we're banning them, usually after multiple warnings. There are some exceptions, like new accounts that are related to past spam or troll activity, or accounts that have been used only to break the site guidelines or post obvious fluff. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20banned https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:sctb%20banned https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...