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Looks like you need to re-read that research :) Bacteriogenic acid is always the direct cause of dental caries, whether in crown fissures or on the sides of te
by nate_meurer 9y ago
Looks like you need to re-read that research :) Bacteriogenic acid is always the direct cause of dental caries, whether in crown fissures or on the sides of teeth [1]. Fluoride helps prevent the development and growth of crown fissures in the first place, and although fissures are difficult to clean once established, it's simply not true that fluoride "provides no benefit whatsoever".
Fissures are difficult to clean with bristle brushes, but it completely depends on their depth and shape. For years now I've had a couple of deep fissures in my molars that regularly get food stuck in them, and I have no problem cleaning them out with my Sonicare and toothpaste.
Regarding the toxicity of fluoride, you realize what a huge dose 32-64 mg/kg is don't you? Do you know how many tubes of toothpaste you'd have to eat to reach those levels? Take a guess. For perspective, the WHO's target for water fluoridation is 0.5-1.5 mg/L.
The William Kennerly case is the case cited by anti-fluoridation activists. Note that it occurred over 40 years ago, and other cases of acknowledged fluoride toxicity are exceedingly rare, in spite of the fact that millions of fluoride treatments are administered to children each year, and in spite of the vast number of toddlers caught eating toothpaste each year.
I should say that I'm not one to argue that fluoride is completely harmless, and I'm on the fence about its use on children. My kids used non-fluoride toothpaste until they started growing permanent teeth, and then I brushed their teeth until age 5 or 6. And I carefully impressed on them the importance of always spitting out the toothpaste, actually using the word "poisonous" to motivate them.
1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8259/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8259/
- RobertRoberts 9y agoConsider the context of this entire discussion, self healing of teeth without the need for dental help, this includes fluoride. I've seen people with their teeth eaten away from drinking super sized gulpies from 7Eleven, so it's not true that "bacteriogenic acid is always the direct cause of dental caries", anything that will dissolve your teeth can cause a cavity. If you really want the truth, keep looking on government websites, all my information on tooth decay came from there, not conspiracy nuts.
- nate_meurer 9y ago> "I've seen people with their teeth eaten away from drinking super sized gulpies" Oh really? So you made sure that their tooth decay had nothing to do with the bacteria in their mouth? How did you do that? Did you take regular cultures of their mouth bacteria? Did you monitor and analyze the progression of the tooth decay to determine the proportion that was caused directly by food acid, rather than by bacterial acid? What were your methods exactly? If you did all of these things, perhaps you should submit your findings to a journal, where they can be compared to similar research, performed inumerable times over the last half century, which shows that bacteriogencic acids are the overwhelmingly predominant cause of tooth caries. Yes, I'm aware that you can erode your enamel away by brute force with soda pop. Here's one documented case: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2676420/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2676420/. You'll note that the paper specifically calls out the concomittant role of bacteriogenic decay, and endorses the utility of fluoride treatment in its prevention. > "If you really want the truth, keep looking on government websites" You mean like the list below? Really, this is getting silly. I'm happy that you have your dental health well in hand, but you're strangely insistent on maintaining ignorance as to why what you're doing might be working. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8259/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8259/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4232036/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4232036/ https://report.nih.gov/NIHfactsheets/ViewFactSheet.aspx?csid=129 https://report.nih.gov/NIHfactsheets/ViewFactSheet.aspx?csid... https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/health-info/tooth-decay https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/health-info/tooth-decay https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/health-info/tooth-decay/more-info https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/health-info/tooth-decay/more-info https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0072698/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0072698/ https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/Espanol/SaludOral/Saludoralenlos/ToothDecayProcess.htm https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/Espanol/SaludOral/Saludoralenlos/T... https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/OralHealth/Topics/ToothDecay/ https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/OralHealth/Topics/ToothDecay/ https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/OralHealth/Topics/GumDiseases/PeriodontalGumDisease.htm https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/OralHealth/Topics/GumDiseases/Peri... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0032936/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0032936/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0032936/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0032936/ https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/health-info/gum-disease/more-info https://www.nidcr.nih.gov/health-info/gum-disease/more-info https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1287824/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1287824/