> Your username indicates you're Dutch. I also explicitly stated this at the end of my comment ;) One of the three definitions you gave states: > "an area tha

> Your username indicates you're Dutch. I also explicitly stated this at the end of my comment ;) One of the three definitions you gave states: > "an area that has a reputation for violence and crime which makes people frightened to go there" Just this week, the mayor of Nijmegen (medium sized city in the East of the Netherlands) asked people not to go to ATMs in low traffic locations due to spikes in violent robberies. The Bijlmer also has a reputation for violence and crime, which makes people frightened to go there. This goes quite a bit further than simply "not liking to walk there at night". No, we are not in Brazil, Honduras, or Sudan. Yes, especially when you go during the day, with a local government delegation no less, most of it will appear extremely safe and clean and well-organized etc. I also had some wonderful times in cities in Honduras. One of those is in every list of most violent / dangerous cities of the world. I have no strong desire to argue no-go areas, but I just find it dangerous and unproductive to ignore real problems because I believe that society is fragile and requires constant attention. Akin to the broken window theory. Not many barricaded off areas to civil authorities in NL, by force of a paramilitary. Let's keep it that way, and make it even better.