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Yeah, and Electron programmers and users are incompetent. Very constructive. Maybe these competent developers don't realize that lots of users don't care if th

by thiht 9y ago

Yeah, and Electron programmers and users are incompetent. Very constructive. Maybe these competent developers don't realize that lots of users don't care if their app use 100-200mo on an 8Go laptop. Nor do they realize that memory usage is one indicator among a few others that are as or more relevant to the various contexts: productivity, talent pool, cost, maintenance, etc. Trade-offs have to be made, Electron is one.

dx034 9y ago
It's not that users don't care. They just stop using it at some point. Most people don't know about memory or processor speed but that doesn't mean they will keep using a program that slows down everything on the computer. In the work environment (non-tech) I experienced several times that people complained about bad usability and apps slowing down the computer. More often than not, those were Electron apps. But the standard corporate solution is to just upgrade computers to 32gb ram and even faster processors. Not sure if the faster development speed in Electron still saves money then. Don't get me wrong, I think Electron is generally a great idea. VSCode works great. Similar to websites, slow performance is rarely a fault of the underlying technology, it's a result of programmers not caring about performance.
nottorp 9y ago
Where are those 100-200 MO apps? The Electron apps i run because i have to are more in the 500+ M range...
- rootlocus 9y ago
  To be fair, Discord only uses 150 - 250mb on my windows machine during regular usage like text chat, gif meme sharing and even youtube video streaming.
kitsunesoba 9y ago
And this is why front end/electron devs should do at least half of their work on low spec/5+ yo machines. If your product is aimed at the average end consumer, you’re locking out or making life hard for quite a number of users if you approach resource consumption in such a nonchalant manner. Not everybody has 8GB+ quad core machines! There are lots of dual core machines with RAM somewhere south of 4GB still in active use every day.
- tonyarkles 9y ago
  Funny enough, I've got a 2013 (?) Mac Mini with 8GB of RAM and a 2560xwhatever monitor. It's good enough for the vast majority of the development work I do, whether it's HTML/JS/CSS stuff, or iOS stuff, or Elixir projects, or C/C++ projects, or whatever. Unless I've got Slack, Keybase, Spotify, etc open. Those just cripple the machine. Also Outlook, but I recently replaced it with Thunderbird and it seems to run much better. I find that my complaints are mostly met with accusations of being an old man (I'm 34...).

by thiht 9y ago

dx034 9y ago

It's not that users don't care. They just stop using it at some point. Most people don't know about memory or processor speed but that doesn't mean they will keep using a program that slows down everything on the computer. In the work environment (non-tech) I experienced several times that people complained about bad usability and apps slowing down the computer. More often than not, those were Electron apps. But the standard corporate solution is to just upgrade computers to 32gb ram and even faster processors. Not sure if the faster development speed in Electron still saves money then. Don't get me wrong, I think Electron is generally a great idea. VSCode works great. Similar to websites, slow performance is rarely a fault of the underlying technology, it's a result of programmers not caring about performance.

nottorp 9y ago

Where are those 100-200 MO apps? The Electron apps i run because i have to are more in the 500+ M range...

rootlocus 9y ago
To be fair, Discord only uses 150 - 250mb on my windows machine during regular usage like text chat, gif meme sharing and even youtube video streaming.

kitsunesoba 9y ago

And this is why front end/electron devs should do at least half of their work on low spec/5+ yo machines. If your product is aimed at the average end consumer, you’re locking out or making life hard for quite a number of users if you approach resource consumption in such a nonchalant manner. Not everybody has 8GB+ quad core machines! There are lots of dual core machines with RAM somewhere south of 4GB still in active use every day.

tonyarkles 9y ago
Funny enough, I've got a 2013 (?) Mac Mini with 8GB of RAM and a 2560xwhatever monitor. It's good enough for the vast majority of the development work I do, whether it's HTML/JS/CSS stuff, or iOS stuff, or Elixir projects, or C/C++ projects, or whatever. Unless I've got Slack, Keybase, Spotify, etc open. Those just cripple the machine. Also Outlook, but I recently replaced it with Thunderbird and it seems to run much better. I find that my complaints are mostly met with accusations of being an old man (I'm 34...).