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Slack uses ~ 2 GB of Ram and ~ 10% CPU when idle. I used it for a short while but now I'm just leaving a Slack tab open in my browser. Its exactly the same func

Slack uses ~ 2 GB of Ram and ~ 10% CPU when idle. I used it for a short while but now I'm just leaving a Slack tab open in my browser. Its exactly the same functionality-wise. Basically I'm fine with Electron apps but I have yet to find one that I need and can't be replaced by a browser tab.

danielbarla 9y ago
Comments like this make me wonder what's going on exactly. Surely your browser tab should now be using ~2GB of Ram and ~10% CPU, since it's the browser, HTML and JS part of Electron that's causing all that? To be honest though, since my VS Code instance is sitting at ~500 MB (all processes together) and 0%, I'd wager it's not actually Electron itself that's at fault. It probably is incredibly inefficient compared to pure native code, and probably makes it easy to write inefficient code, but still, that's quite heavy usage you're referring to.
- pizzapill 9y ago
  My guess is that a lot of memory in the browser is shared. Another commentor in this thread wrote that VS Code is incredible efficient for a Electron app.
  - danielbarla 9y ago
    That could certainly account for some of the memory usage. I'm still confused about why there would be a 10% cpu usage on one, and not on the browser version (especially if they are equivalent, or even share underlying code). VS Code certainly is efficient for an Electron app, and I'm sure it's really hard to achieve that level of efficiency. To be honest though, I use it side by side with Visual Studio itself, and on many metrics, it eats its big brother for breakfast (e.g. [1])... and that is a native app. One can argue that it's apples and oranges, and that the two are not equivalent, but we have an interesting counterpoint. While I'm sure performance is heavily weighted in favour of native, it seems like it's certainly surmountable. [1] https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/695013979807047680?lang=en https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/695013979807047680?...
    - zlynx 9y ago
      My theory on Slack's ridiculous CPU use is animated graphics. If some of those are on the screen the CPU use is at least 10%.
- jrs95 9y ago
  My theory is that their code is shit. It shouldn't be surprising given that their Chief Architect wrote a Medium post (Oct 2016) in which he cited concurrency as one of the primary benefits of PHP, and advocated for "curl'ing to localhost" to achieve parallelism.
calcifer 9y ago
On my laptop running Slack Linux 3.0.5 with 3 workspaces & several dozen channels, it idles at 0% CPU and ~550MB RAM (see screenshot [1]). [1] https://i.imgur.com/juQbGW7.png https://i.imgur.com/juQbGW7.png
- pizzapill 9y ago
  Haven't been using it since ~ 2 years. My data might be out of date.
- oselhn 9y ago
  Comparing it to similar native app like pidgin it is still about 10 times more.
  - calcifer 9y ago
    With 10 times the features, it’s not at all unreasonable.
- laurent123456 9y ago
  That's also roughly what I see on Windows for my Electron app [0]. 0% idle CPU and about 200MB of RAM. That's large but acceptable compared with other non-Electron apps running, like Sublime Text (170MB) or Thunderbird (320 MB). [0] https://imgur.com/tMhEwtp.png https://imgur.com/tMhEwtp.png
  - piracykills 9y ago
    You have some choice native apps - Sublime is Python, which is rather horrible with memory usage and Thunderbird essentially embeds a browser just like Electron apps. Compare VSCode or Atom with Emacs or Gvim for something more native. To pick some apps off my desktop right now: - Emacs with a pile of extensions, 22 MB - SpeedCrunch, 13 MB - SumatraPDF, 19 MB - MS Word, 101 MB
    - laurent123456 9y ago
      In my list of applications that are always active, Firefox and ConEmu are also over 500MB too. The exception is Total Commander (amazingly, still compatible with Windows 3.1), which is only 20MB but it's more the exception than the rule.

danielbarla 9y ago

Comments like this make me wonder what's going on exactly. Surely your browser tab should now be using ~2GB of Ram and ~10% CPU, since it's the browser, HTML and JS part of Electron that's causing all that? To be honest though, since my VS Code instance is sitting at ~500 MB (all processes together) and 0%, I'd wager it's not actually Electron itself that's at fault. It probably is incredibly inefficient compared to pure native code, and probably makes it easy to write inefficient code, but still, that's quite heavy usage you're referring to.

pizzapill 9y ago
My guess is that a lot of memory in the browser is shared. Another commentor in this thread wrote that VS Code is incredible efficient for a Electron app.
- danielbarla 9y ago
  That could certainly account for some of the memory usage. I'm still confused about why there would be a 10% cpu usage on one, and not on the browser version (especially if they are equivalent, or even share underlying code). VS Code certainly is efficient for an Electron app, and I'm sure it's really hard to achieve that level of efficiency. To be honest though, I use it side by side with Visual Studio itself, and on many metrics, it eats its big brother for breakfast (e.g. [1])... and that is a native app. One can argue that it's apples and oranges, and that the two are not equivalent, but we have an interesting counterpoint. While I'm sure performance is heavily weighted in favour of native, it seems like it's certainly surmountable. [1] https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/695013979807047680?lang=en https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/695013979807047680?...
  - zlynx 9y ago
    My theory on Slack's ridiculous CPU use is animated graphics. If some of those are on the screen the CPU use is at least 10%.
jrs95 9y ago
My theory is that their code is shit. It shouldn't be surprising given that their Chief Architect wrote a Medium post (Oct 2016) in which he cited concurrency as one of the primary benefits of PHP, and advocated for "curl'ing to localhost" to achieve parallelism.

calcifer 9y ago

On my laptop running Slack Linux 3.0.5 with 3 workspaces & several dozen channels, it idles at 0% CPU and ~550MB RAM (see screenshot [1]). [1] https://i.imgur.com/juQbGW7.png https://i.imgur.com/juQbGW7.png

pizzapill 9y ago
Haven't been using it since ~ 2 years. My data might be out of date.
oselhn 9y ago
Comparing it to similar native app like pidgin it is still about 10 times more.
- calcifer 9y ago
  With 10 times the features, it’s not at all unreasonable.
laurent123456 9y ago
That's also roughly what I see on Windows for my Electron app [0]. 0% idle CPU and about 200MB of RAM. That's large but acceptable compared with other non-Electron apps running, like Sublime Text (170MB) or Thunderbird (320 MB). [0] https://imgur.com/tMhEwtp.png https://imgur.com/tMhEwtp.png
- piracykills 9y ago
  You have some choice native apps - Sublime is Python, which is rather horrible with memory usage and Thunderbird essentially embeds a browser just like Electron apps. Compare VSCode or Atom with Emacs or Gvim for something more native. To pick some apps off my desktop right now: - Emacs with a pile of extensions, 22 MB - SpeedCrunch, 13 MB - SumatraPDF, 19 MB - MS Word, 101 MB
  - laurent123456 9y ago
    In my list of applications that are always active, Firefox and ConEmu are also over 500MB too. The exception is Total Commander (amazingly, still compatible with Windows 3.1), which is only 20MB but it's more the exception than the rule.