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Web technologies have some unique non-technical qualities which trump the technical arguments: * Standards based with no single entity or company "owning" it.

by sime2009 9y ago

Web technologies have some unique non-technical qualities which trump the technical arguments: * Standards based with no single entity or company "owning" it. * Multiple mature competing implementations. * Massive support across the industry and a huge ecosystem.

pjmlp 9y ago
You mean like those "Works in IE/Chrome" standards? I am yet to see the huge ecosystem for Web components that matches component libraries like those from DevExpress or ComponentOne.
- Sawamara 9y ago
  You have to actively ignore the web's landscape in the past 5-6 years to state something like this. Lately, major vendors (with Edge, that includes Microsoft) are agreeing on standards, developing them FAST, and the web moves forward faster than it has ever moved. Long gone are the days where your standards can get stopped for multiple years. And vendor prefixes are less prevalent now as features get implemented properly sooner.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Really? https://ishoudinireadyyet.com/ https://ishoudinireadyyet.com/ https://www.webcomponents.org/ https://www.webcomponents.org/ https://hangouts.google.com/ https://hangouts.google.com/ Also, to use those standards, one needs to have access to latest browser versions, which never happens beyond controlled environments. So typical web development always needs Modernizr, Babel, Polyfills (when possible) around.
    - sime2009 9y ago
      The vast majority of current web development project don't need to go anywhere near the bleeding edge "still in development" browser APIs. Your argument makes no sense in the year 2018.
      - pjmlp 9y ago
        Depends, if they are trying to compete with native apps or not. Of course if they just stick with the ideal model of hypertext documents, with a little bit of JS, it doesn't make sense. As for web apps, I am ok with them, provided they run on the browser I have already installed, instead of faking native apps.
      - megaman22 9y ago
        Hey, some of us are still out here having to support IE 7... Glaciers move faster these days than some corporate clients.
  - NoGravitas 9y ago
    And yet, I still frequently run into web applications that only run in Chrome. Mostly COTS enterprise products.
rimliu 9y ago
You have extra word in your second point. There is norhing mature. If anything webtech rushes implementation of some feature just so the checkbox “we can do it too” is ticked and that’s it.

pjmlp 9y ago

You mean like those "Works in IE/Chrome" standards? I am yet to see the huge ecosystem for Web components that matches component libraries like those from DevExpress or ComponentOne.

Sawamara 9y ago
You have to actively ignore the web's landscape in the past 5-6 years to state something like this. Lately, major vendors (with Edge, that includes Microsoft) are agreeing on standards, developing them FAST, and the web moves forward faster than it has ever moved. Long gone are the days where your standards can get stopped for multiple years. And vendor prefixes are less prevalent now as features get implemented properly sooner.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Really? https://ishoudinireadyyet.com/ https://ishoudinireadyyet.com/ https://www.webcomponents.org/ https://www.webcomponents.org/ https://hangouts.google.com/ https://hangouts.google.com/ Also, to use those standards, one needs to have access to latest browser versions, which never happens beyond controlled environments. So typical web development always needs Modernizr, Babel, Polyfills (when possible) around.
  - sime2009 9y ago
    The vast majority of current web development project don't need to go anywhere near the bleeding edge "still in development" browser APIs. Your argument makes no sense in the year 2018.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      Depends, if they are trying to compete with native apps or not. Of course if they just stick with the ideal model of hypertext documents, with a little bit of JS, it doesn't make sense. As for web apps, I am ok with them, provided they run on the browser I have already installed, instead of faking native apps.
    - megaman22 9y ago
      Hey, some of us are still out here having to support IE 7... Glaciers move faster these days than some corporate clients.
- NoGravitas 9y ago
  And yet, I still frequently run into web applications that only run in Chrome. Mostly COTS enterprise products.

rimliu 9y ago

You have extra word in your second point. There is norhing mature. If anything webtech rushes implementation of some feature just so the checkbox “we can do it too” is ticked and that’s it.