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> If I would have had access to a gun I would have tried to kill them. you got issues, mate. maybe talk to someone? > We need common sense gun control. like

by rvo 9y ago

> If I would have had access to a gun I would have tried to kill them. you got issues, mate. maybe talk to someone? > We need common sense gun control. like what? anything short of repealing the 2A makes no sense to me frankly. Perhaps it's time to just repeal it and possibly confiscate guns across the board.

nickbauman 9y ago
Nope. I was 11 years old and I defy you to take your 11 year old self in that situation and do it differently.
- rvo 9y ago
  of course I wouldnt be too different. I'm just saying you should talk to someone about this. Isn't it good that you didn't have access to guns? So why not just repeal the 2A?
  - reitanqild 9y ago
    There's a few options between not shaving at all and removing the nose together with the eyebrows. Teaching gun culture and demanding gun safes (like it's done around here) would probably be a safer and more efficient route.
    - rvo 9y ago
      > Teaching gun culture and demanding gun safes (like it's done around here) would probably be a safer and more efficient route. That can be done and the 2A can also be repealed (gun ownership doesnt need to be a "right"). Why not do both?
      - reitanqild 9y ago
        Because just getting the authorities to respect your rights is hard. If it wasn't a right then it would suddenly be worthless in many districts. Here's some middle ground: Mandatory training. Around here it is provided by hunters organizations, often at cost price. Background checks by police + recommendation by hunter organization or the equivalent of NRA.
      - sathackr 9y ago
        If the 'rights' that this country was practically founded with don't need to be 'rights' -- then you should propose just eliminating the constitution in general. Why do we need a 'right' to be free of unreasonable search and seizures? Why does the freedom of speech have to be a right? I'm sure what's left of the government will act in the best interest of the entire country. And surely all the guns will just cease to exist after our right to legally bear them is repealed. Gangsters, teenage boys, drug dealers, they will all happily turn in their guns and promise not to get any more.
- monksy 9y ago
  I can't speak for rvo. However, I'm legitimately concerned from what you wrote and that you've carried this on you since you were 11. Please, talk to someone (like a consuelor or a therapist) and work it out. Bullies do exist. Sometimes, they teach you something, and sometimes they're just bullies. (I'm not excusing their behavior).
- giardini 9y ago
  nickbauman says>" I defy you to take your 11 year old self in that situation and do it differently." This is such an odd statement. The time is past, the actions have occurred; they cannot be redone. All that remains are your memories and emotions, which can be changed. Everyone is different and no two people handle a situation in the same way. Its too bad that you were unable to get good advice and/or consolation at the time. But maybe, with some counseling, or discussion with friends, you can revisit this bad experience and others and change how you feel about them and yourself.
alacombe 9y ago
> Perhaps it's time to just repeal it and possibly confiscate guns across the board. Get ready for a civil war then, because the US country side will not let the cities get their guns.
- rvo 9y ago
  I dont understand why. How can they see school shootings and see that toxic masculinity in the form of guns is so bad for society. Do they just value different things culturally?
  - reitanqild 9y ago
    Because if you follow along here you'll see a lot of hate and vile comments about people on the countryside. Some even seems to take pride in how they can't even talk reasonably to their relatives once a year. People notice this and might not be very keen on cooperating with people who despise them. Also maybe they've read history and knows what happens to unpopular unarmed people.
    - rvo 9y ago
      Thats an interesting point. There is actual hatred for country folks. I get it though. My folks are from a village in India. We sometimes get shit on by city folks too. Some country folks like guns. But its not a "right".
      - DoreenMichele 9y ago
        In the US constitution, it actually is a right. We have a right to bear arms. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_Unit...
        rvo 9y ago
        Yea, I know. I am asking why not repeal this amendment, like the 21 amendment did for the 18th. Why have it as a "right"? If its not a right, then the government can pass much stronger gun laws, including confiscations, etc. But still allows good citizens to own guns for hunting and stuff. Maybe even limit the number of guns per person, control the type of gun, etc. Just give enough so that country folks are happy with simple hunting rifles and cant do much damage.
zvrba 9y ago
> you got issues, mate. No, the school/community he was at had issues. They didn't take bullying seriously, did nothing to prevent it and did nothing to punish it when it went too far. It's the same here in Norway, a couple of kids committed suicide because of bullying, that got a lot of media coverage, but the situation doesn't seem to have changed. Politicians are still arguing about "what to do with bullies" and how to force them to change schools. ... And since Norway is unaccustomed to violence, I thought for long for myself that nothing's going to change until some bullied kid decides to take other's lives instead of his/her own.
- rvo 9y ago
  > No, the school/community he was at had issues. They didn't take bullying seriously, did nothing to prevent it and did nothing to punish it when it went too far. but that definitely has left some psychological issues in him/her and so its definitely worth talking to someone, a professional, about this. People with suicidal / homicidal tendencies should definitely seek out help.

by rvo 9y ago

nickbauman 9y ago

Nope. I was 11 years old and I defy you to take your 11 year old self in that situation and do it differently.

rvo 9y ago
of course I wouldnt be too different. I'm just saying you should talk to someone about this. Isn't it good that you didn't have access to guns? So why not just repeal the 2A?
- reitanqild 9y ago
  There's a few options between not shaving at all and removing the nose together with the eyebrows. Teaching gun culture and demanding gun safes (like it's done around here) would probably be a safer and more efficient route.
  - rvo 9y ago
    > Teaching gun culture and demanding gun safes (like it's done around here) would probably be a safer and more efficient route. That can be done and the 2A can also be repealed (gun ownership doesnt need to be a "right"). Why not do both?
    - reitanqild 9y ago
      Because just getting the authorities to respect your rights is hard. If it wasn't a right then it would suddenly be worthless in many districts. Here's some middle ground: Mandatory training. Around here it is provided by hunters organizations, often at cost price. Background checks by police + recommendation by hunter organization or the equivalent of NRA.
    - sathackr 9y ago
      If the 'rights' that this country was practically founded with don't need to be 'rights' -- then you should propose just eliminating the constitution in general. Why do we need a 'right' to be free of unreasonable search and seizures? Why does the freedom of speech have to be a right? I'm sure what's left of the government will act in the best interest of the entire country. And surely all the guns will just cease to exist after our right to legally bear them is repealed. Gangsters, teenage boys, drug dealers, they will all happily turn in their guns and promise not to get any more.
monksy 9y ago
I can't speak for rvo. However, I'm legitimately concerned from what you wrote and that you've carried this on you since you were 11. Please, talk to someone (like a consuelor or a therapist) and work it out. Bullies do exist. Sometimes, they teach you something, and sometimes they're just bullies. (I'm not excusing their behavior).
giardini 9y ago
nickbauman says>" I defy you to take your 11 year old self in that situation and do it differently." This is such an odd statement. The time is past, the actions have occurred; they cannot be redone. All that remains are your memories and emotions, which can be changed. Everyone is different and no two people handle a situation in the same way. Its too bad that you were unable to get good advice and/or consolation at the time. But maybe, with some counseling, or discussion with friends, you can revisit this bad experience and others and change how you feel about them and yourself.

alacombe 9y ago

> Perhaps it's time to just repeal it and possibly confiscate guns across the board. Get ready for a civil war then, because the US country side will not let the cities get their guns.

rvo 9y ago
I dont understand why. How can they see school shootings and see that toxic masculinity in the form of guns is so bad for society. Do they just value different things culturally?
- reitanqild 9y ago
  Because if you follow along here you'll see a lot of hate and vile comments about people on the countryside. Some even seems to take pride in how they can't even talk reasonably to their relatives once a year. People notice this and might not be very keen on cooperating with people who despise them. Also maybe they've read history and knows what happens to unpopular unarmed people.
  - rvo 9y ago
    Thats an interesting point. There is actual hatred for country folks. I get it though. My folks are from a village in India. We sometimes get shit on by city folks too. Some country folks like guns. But its not a "right".
    - DoreenMichele 9y ago
      In the US constitution, it actually is a right. We have a right to bear arms. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_Unit...
      - rvo 9y ago
        Yea, I know. I am asking why not repeal this amendment, like the 21 amendment did for the 18th. Why have it as a "right"? If its not a right, then the government can pass much stronger gun laws, including confiscations, etc. But still allows good citizens to own guns for hunting and stuff. Maybe even limit the number of guns per person, control the type of gun, etc. Just give enough so that country folks are happy with simple hunting rifles and cant do much damage.

zvrba 9y ago

> you got issues, mate. No, the school/community he was at had issues. They didn't take bullying seriously, did nothing to prevent it and did nothing to punish it when it went too far. It's the same here in Norway, a couple of kids committed suicide because of bullying, that got a lot of media coverage, but the situation doesn't seem to have changed. Politicians are still arguing about "what to do with bullies" and how to force them to change schools. ... And since Norway is unaccustomed to violence, I thought for long for myself that nothing's going to change until some bullied kid decides to take other's lives instead of his/her own.

rvo 9y ago
> No, the school/community he was at had issues. They didn't take bullying seriously, did nothing to prevent it and did nothing to punish it when it went too far. but that definitely has left some psychological issues in him/her and so its definitely worth talking to someone, a professional, about this. People with suicidal / homicidal tendencies should definitely seek out help.