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I do something similar. I wash my mouth twice a day with listerine ultra-clean, which contains 20% alcohol. I leave it in my mouth for about 2 minutes and pus

I do something similar. I wash my mouth twice a day with listerine ultra-clean, which contains 20% alcohol. I leave it in my mouth for about 2 minutes and push my teeth together to get the mouthwash into the gums. This has a funny side effect of killing bacteria that is in the plaque on the teeth. Their remains stain the outer layer, but it comes off easily and makes removing the plaque really easy. I also don't eat anything with added sugar and I take supplements, amino acids, enzymes, extra vitamin d, calcium, chelated magnesium to keep calcium from building up in arteries. A filling became brittle and fell out about 18 years ago. I completely ignored it. I've had zero problems with my teeth since and have not returned to a dentist since then.

RobertRoberts 9y ago
I applaud your focus on health. It's not an easy thing to change in life. What happened to your tooth where the filling fell out? Did it fill in at all naturally? (ie, fully or partially in any way?) Not sure about the listerine, as I think some (or most?) bacteria in our mouth is supposed to be there. There may be some long term issues to consider. But who knows, everyone is affected so differently, I no longer am dogmatic about what will help or not these days. Last note on the calcium build up in arteries (off topic a bit), but any build up in the arteries is now known to be a good thing, as it's keeping you alive by repairing a rip/tear in the artery. Even doctors are starting to admit this. It's a bandage, not a blockage.
- ValentineC 9y ago
  > Last note on the calcium build up in arteries (off topic a bit), but any build up in the arteries is now known to be a good thing, as it's keeping you alive by repairing a rip/tear in the artery. Even doctors are starting to admit this. It's a bandage, not a blockage. Do you have a source for this?
  - RobertRoberts 9y ago
    >Do you have a source for this? From the Mayo Clinic. (world famous hospital where US presidents go) https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronary-artery-disease/symptoms-causes/syc-20350613 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronary-arte... "Once the inner wall of an artery is damaged, fatty deposits (plaque) made of cholesterol and other cellular waste products tend to accumulate at the site of injury in a process called atherosclerosis. If the surface of the plaque breaks or ruptures, blood cells called platelets will clump at the site to try to repair the artery. This clump can block the artery, leading to a heart attack."
- LinuxBender 9y ago
  The tooth somewhat repaired, minus the enamel. There is still a divot that I must keep clean, but it is easy to clean. Bacteria is required in the gut, but AFAIK, it is not required in the mouth. I certainly replenish bacteria in my gut with 20 different cultures. Excess calcium in the arteries will build up and become blockage. In my younger years I ate many bad things and now I have to be careful not to add to the existing layers.
  - RobertRoberts 9y ago
    I suspect that some bacteria from the mouth ends up in the gut? I have not researched this topic at all, so I am just surmising. >Excess calcium in the arteries will build up and become blockage. You may want to look into recent studies, they are finding that when an artery is "scratched" (white sugar can scratch arteries) deposits (plaque) are designed to cling to this damage and are a repair tool. If your diet is poor, it can cause damage (as it seems you already know) but also being overweight, lack of exercise, and other things can contribute to weak cellular structure so arteries are more easily damaged. (note, I got this info from friend who recently had a heart attack and went to the Mayo Clinic, and this is the info they passed on, and is confirmed elsewhere online)
    - KMag 9y ago
      > (white sugar can scratch arteries) I don't doubt that white sugar is damaging to arteries and effects the microstructure of arterial walls, but I'm skeptical that there's a statistically significant difference between white and brown sugar for cardiovascular health. Can you cite any studies that break out white vs. brown sugar? White table sugar is nearly 100% sucrose and water, while brown sugar has a tiny percentage of molasses and iron, and perhaps traces of other minerals. I'm skeptical that the tiny percentage of iron and molasses present in brown sugar is protective of arteries. Also, any sucrose in your blood is in solution, not crystaline. What's the mechanism for this "scratching", and why isn't it (as you imply) also present with brown sugar? I'm not saying you're wrong, but the most plain reading of your post suggests a mechanism (physical scratching, presumably from microcrystaline sucrose) that doesn't make sense to me. Does the sucrose form some large complex with some serum protien, where it's formation is inhibited by something in the molasses present in brown sugar? (Unless someone is massively iron deficient and consuming massive amounts of brown sugar, white vs. brown sugar should have no measurable effect on iron levels in the body.) Or, did you not mean to imply that brown sugar is any better for your arteries than brown sugar? At work, those times I put sugar in my coffee, I do use brown sugar, but I do it for the difference in flavor and recognize that when mixed into coffee, I'd likely fail a blind taste test. At home, I don't pay the extra cost of brown sugar.
tootie 9y ago
I eat starch and sugar, brush the minimum, don't floss. Never had a cavity in my life and I'm 40. My secret? Genetics. Genes play a much bigger role than hygiene. So going off anecdotes like this is probably not helpful.
- RobertRoberts 9y ago
  Genetics can't beat physics. Soak your mouth in coke all day, and your teeth will rot. The fact that your body can handle it better than most is a blessing for you, but doesn't discount hygiene for most people. I have known people that say the exact same argument for lack of sleep, drinking tons of alcohol, smoking daily, etc... I'd suspect that people with good genetics and that take care of their bodies wisely will live ripe old ages in good condition. But if are unwise, will exist in the same realm of misery with the masses.
  - tootie 9y ago
    All things being equal, you're always better off taking care of yourself. But you're better off investing your energy in proven strategies and not whatever nonsense you see on the internet.
    - RobertRoberts 9y ago
      >But you're better off investing your energy in proven strategies and not whatever nonsense you see on the internet I generally agree, but there was a time when books and libraries were the internet of the time. And the saying was similar "just because you read it in a book doesn't mean it's true." Consider how recently science and doctors have been wrong about certain diseases and fixed/changed their healing techniques. I'd rather use common sense than suffer at the hands of those that are working on the wrong side of the knowledge curve. Many doctors today are of a similar opinion, sometimes the majority is wrong, and it takes a long time for them to come around, but that doesn't mean everyone has to wait.
- bitwize 9y ago
  You should probably fast and eat keto anyway. If there's one thing I learned from Hackernews, it's that there are few long-term health problems this can't solve, and many health problems not doing this will cause.
ionwake 9y ago
Wont this damage your gums and cause them to recede?
- LinuxBender 9y ago
  It certainly can. A few times my gums became inflamed in the last couple decades. That is when I knew to reduce the method slightly. There is a balance and it is probably a little different for each person.
vinni2 9y ago
I used to use liserine a lot as well! Now reduced it because of the warnings on mouth cancer!
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RobertRoberts 9y ago

I applaud your focus on health. It's not an easy thing to change in life. What happened to your tooth where the filling fell out? Did it fill in at all naturally? (ie, fully or partially in any way?) Not sure about the listerine, as I think some (or most?) bacteria in our mouth is supposed to be there. There may be some long term issues to consider. But who knows, everyone is affected so differently, I no longer am dogmatic about what will help or not these days. Last note on the calcium build up in arteries (off topic a bit), but any build up in the arteries is now known to be a good thing, as it's keeping you alive by repairing a rip/tear in the artery. Even doctors are starting to admit this. It's a bandage, not a blockage.

ValentineC 9y ago
> Last note on the calcium build up in arteries (off topic a bit), but any build up in the arteries is now known to be a good thing, as it's keeping you alive by repairing a rip/tear in the artery. Even doctors are starting to admit this. It's a bandage, not a blockage. Do you have a source for this?
- RobertRoberts 9y ago
  >Do you have a source for this? From the Mayo Clinic. (world famous hospital where US presidents go) https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronary-artery-disease/symptoms-causes/syc-20350613 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronary-arte... "Once the inner wall of an artery is damaged, fatty deposits (plaque) made of cholesterol and other cellular waste products tend to accumulate at the site of injury in a process called atherosclerosis. If the surface of the plaque breaks or ruptures, blood cells called platelets will clump at the site to try to repair the artery. This clump can block the artery, leading to a heart attack."
LinuxBender 9y ago
The tooth somewhat repaired, minus the enamel. There is still a divot that I must keep clean, but it is easy to clean. Bacteria is required in the gut, but AFAIK, it is not required in the mouth. I certainly replenish bacteria in my gut with 20 different cultures. Excess calcium in the arteries will build up and become blockage. In my younger years I ate many bad things and now I have to be careful not to add to the existing layers.
- RobertRoberts 9y ago
  I suspect that some bacteria from the mouth ends up in the gut? I have not researched this topic at all, so I am just surmising. >Excess calcium in the arteries will build up and become blockage. You may want to look into recent studies, they are finding that when an artery is "scratched" (white sugar can scratch arteries) deposits (plaque) are designed to cling to this damage and are a repair tool. If your diet is poor, it can cause damage (as it seems you already know) but also being overweight, lack of exercise, and other things can contribute to weak cellular structure so arteries are more easily damaged. (note, I got this info from friend who recently had a heart attack and went to the Mayo Clinic, and this is the info they passed on, and is confirmed elsewhere online)
  - KMag 9y ago
    > (white sugar can scratch arteries) I don't doubt that white sugar is damaging to arteries and effects the microstructure of arterial walls, but I'm skeptical that there's a statistically significant difference between white and brown sugar for cardiovascular health. Can you cite any studies that break out white vs. brown sugar? White table sugar is nearly 100% sucrose and water, while brown sugar has a tiny percentage of molasses and iron, and perhaps traces of other minerals. I'm skeptical that the tiny percentage of iron and molasses present in brown sugar is protective of arteries. Also, any sucrose in your blood is in solution, not crystaline. What's the mechanism for this "scratching", and why isn't it (as you imply) also present with brown sugar? I'm not saying you're wrong, but the most plain reading of your post suggests a mechanism (physical scratching, presumably from microcrystaline sucrose) that doesn't make sense to me. Does the sucrose form some large complex with some serum protien, where it's formation is inhibited by something in the molasses present in brown sugar? (Unless someone is massively iron deficient and consuming massive amounts of brown sugar, white vs. brown sugar should have no measurable effect on iron levels in the body.) Or, did you not mean to imply that brown sugar is any better for your arteries than brown sugar? At work, those times I put sugar in my coffee, I do use brown sugar, but I do it for the difference in flavor and recognize that when mixed into coffee, I'd likely fail a blind taste test. At home, I don't pay the extra cost of brown sugar.

tootie 9y ago

I eat starch and sugar, brush the minimum, don't floss. Never had a cavity in my life and I'm 40. My secret? Genetics. Genes play a much bigger role than hygiene. So going off anecdotes like this is probably not helpful.

RobertRoberts 9y ago
Genetics can't beat physics. Soak your mouth in coke all day, and your teeth will rot. The fact that your body can handle it better than most is a blessing for you, but doesn't discount hygiene for most people. I have known people that say the exact same argument for lack of sleep, drinking tons of alcohol, smoking daily, etc... I'd suspect that people with good genetics and that take care of their bodies wisely will live ripe old ages in good condition. But if are unwise, will exist in the same realm of misery with the masses.
- tootie 9y ago
  All things being equal, you're always better off taking care of yourself. But you're better off investing your energy in proven strategies and not whatever nonsense you see on the internet.
  - RobertRoberts 9y ago
    >But you're better off investing your energy in proven strategies and not whatever nonsense you see on the internet I generally agree, but there was a time when books and libraries were the internet of the time. And the saying was similar "just because you read it in a book doesn't mean it's true." Consider how recently science and doctors have been wrong about certain diseases and fixed/changed their healing techniques. I'd rather use common sense than suffer at the hands of those that are working on the wrong side of the knowledge curve. Many doctors today are of a similar opinion, sometimes the majority is wrong, and it takes a long time for them to come around, but that doesn't mean everyone has to wait.
bitwize 9y ago
You should probably fast and eat keto anyway. If there's one thing I learned from Hackernews, it's that there are few long-term health problems this can't solve, and many health problems not doing this will cause.

ionwake 9y ago

Wont this damage your gums and cause them to recede?

LinuxBender 9y ago
It certainly can. A few times my gums became inflamed in the last couple decades. That is when I knew to reduce the method slightly. There is a balance and it is probably a little different for each person.

vinni2 9y ago

I used to use liserine a lot as well! Now reduced it because of the warnings on mouth cancer!

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