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But the problem is, the industry is trending toward just doing the open office thing. Cubes are on their way out, and places that offer private offices for deve

But the problem is, the industry is trending toward just doing the open office thing. Cubes are on their way out, and places that offer private offices for developers are few and far between. We're not the one's shouting our preferences at everyone else; we're the ones having the preferences of others thrust upon us.

kerkeslager 9y ago
You're right, it's the extroverts who are thrusting their preferences on the introverts. So what? Which would you rather do, get revenge on the extroverts, or come up with a solution that's amenable to both introverts and extroverts? If all the introverts are doing is complaining about open offices and demanding private offices, they're turning this into a zero-sum game where in order for introverts to win, extroverts have to lose. Not only is that not a good result, but it's not likely to work, since it's not going to get any support from extroverts. Mixed private/shared workspaces are a solution to this problem that benefit everyone.
- s73v3r_ 9y ago
  No, don't try to put this on the introverts. And don't try to paint this as trying to "get revenge." I'm fine with having mixed spaces. But the extroverts are the ones in charge, and they're the ones that are, again, forcing their preferences, instead of asking. They are the ones that need to come to the middle and meet the rest of us.
  - kerkeslager 9y ago
    I genuinely hope that introverts get a solution that works for them without asking for it. I just don't think it's likely to happen. > They are the ones that need to come to the middle and meet the rest of us. Does it occur to you that I'm an extrovert trying to do exactly that?
    - s73v3r_ 9y ago
      I mean the ones that are turning everything to open offices. No offense, but I find it highly unlikely you, or just about anyone else here, would have the kind of influence needed to cause existing open offices to change.

kerkeslager 9y ago

You're right, it's the extroverts who are thrusting their preferences on the introverts. So what? Which would you rather do, get revenge on the extroverts, or come up with a solution that's amenable to both introverts and extroverts? If all the introverts are doing is complaining about open offices and demanding private offices, they're turning this into a zero-sum game where in order for introverts to win, extroverts have to lose. Not only is that not a good result, but it's not likely to work, since it's not going to get any support from extroverts. Mixed private/shared workspaces are a solution to this problem that benefit everyone.

s73v3r_ 9y ago
No, don't try to put this on the introverts. And don't try to paint this as trying to "get revenge." I'm fine with having mixed spaces. But the extroverts are the ones in charge, and they're the ones that are, again, forcing their preferences, instead of asking. They are the ones that need to come to the middle and meet the rest of us.
- kerkeslager 9y ago
  I genuinely hope that introverts get a solution that works for them without asking for it. I just don't think it's likely to happen. > They are the ones that need to come to the middle and meet the rest of us. Does it occur to you that I'm an extrovert trying to do exactly that?
  - s73v3r_ 9y ago
    I mean the ones that are turning everything to open offices. No offense, but I find it highly unlikely you, or just about anyone else here, would have the kind of influence needed to cause existing open offices to change.