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Career outcomes are strongly correlated with IQ in the US, suggesting a fairly robust meritocracy. Japan is also not “The West” - if you’re being sarcastic, it

by wyager 9y ago

Career outcomes are strongly correlated with IQ in the US, suggesting a fairly robust meritocracy. Japan is also not “The West” - if you’re being sarcastic, it was a bit under the radar.

HarryHirsch 9y ago
Tell that to any chemist laid off by Pfizer & their ilk.
frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
>Career outcomes are strongly correlated with IQ in the US I'd actually love to see that study. But before you link it I'll dispute it anyways which is that this a problem with a third variable, wealth. Wealthy parents raise IQs by being more attentive, allowing children to attend better schools, etc. >Japan is also not “The West” - if you’re being sarcastic, it was a bit under the radar. Yes it is. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/08/why-are-rich-kids-smarter/348268/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/08/why-are... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Heritability_and_socioeconomic_status https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Heritabilit...
- wyager 9y ago
  http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/27/against-individual-iq-worries/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/27/against-individual-iq-w... https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/cde/cdewp/98-07.pdf https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/cde/cdewp/98-07.pdf Assuming I understand your motivation for posting the IQ heritability article - yes, higher IQ parents will have higher IQ children, leading to compounding effects. This could (at most) lead to widening of IQ distributions where intelligence-based selection effects are amplified. However, since meritocratic positions sample from a fraction of the population, not an IQ or “merit points” range, this shouldn’t really have any strong anti-meritocratic effect. > Yes it is. Well I’m glad you settled that.
danharaj 9y ago
What is the effect size?
- wyager 9y ago
  See: https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/cde/cdewp/98-07.pdf https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/cde/cdewp/98-07.pdf
Maken 9y ago
IQ also correlates with education. What else correlates with education?

by wyager 9y ago

Career outcomes are strongly correlated with IQ in the US, suggesting a fairly robust meritocracy. Japan is also not “The West” - if you’re being sarcastic, it was a bit under the radar.

HarryHirsch 9y ago

Tell that to any chemist laid off by Pfizer & their ilk.

frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago

>Career outcomes are strongly correlated with IQ in the US I'd actually love to see that study. But before you link it I'll dispute it anyways which is that this a problem with a third variable, wealth. Wealthy parents raise IQs by being more attentive, allowing children to attend better schools, etc. >Japan is also not “The West” - if you’re being sarcastic, it was a bit under the radar. Yes it is. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/08/why-are-rich-kids-smarter/348268/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/08/why-are... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Heritability_and_socioeconomic_status https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Heritabilit...

wyager 9y ago
http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/27/against-individual-iq-worries/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/27/against-individual-iq-w... https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/cde/cdewp/98-07.pdf https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/cde/cdewp/98-07.pdf Assuming I understand your motivation for posting the IQ heritability article - yes, higher IQ parents will have higher IQ children, leading to compounding effects. This could (at most) lead to widening of IQ distributions where intelligence-based selection effects are amplified. However, since meritocratic positions sample from a fraction of the population, not an IQ or “merit points” range, this shouldn’t really have any strong anti-meritocratic effect. > Yes it is. Well I’m glad you settled that.

danharaj 9y ago

What is the effect size?

wyager 9y ago
See: https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/cde/cdewp/98-07.pdf https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/cde/cdewp/98-07.pdf

Maken 9y ago

IQ also correlates with education. What else correlates with education?