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Listen, I'm not going to stop you from keto or paleo or homeopathy or any other wild idea. Just be aware that the claimed scientific proof for its effectivenes

Listen, I'm not going to stop you from keto or paleo or homeopathy or any other wild idea. Just be aware that the claimed scientific proof for its effectiveness is shaky at best, and there are definite dangers, which is why a medical professional should be consulted before starting. It may be fine for you, but you are not everyone. There is a hell of a lot of Dunning-Kruger effect going on in nerd circles, where high technical skill in one area is mistakenly believed to mean equal mastery in all other subjects. In this case it is nutrition, where a group of people have decided that they've "cracked the metabolism's secrets", "dieticians hate this one easy trick!"-style. It doesn't work that way, though. There are no easy shortcuts to weight loss and health, no matter how you stress your metabolism. Health is simple, but it is not easy. Dollars to donuts (ha!) your overall increase in health happened because you now look at lot more carefully at what you eat, plus cut out simple sugars completely. That is a very good lifestyle change, and enough to make up for the negatives of ketogenic diets, giving a net positive.

keymone 9y ago
you still refuse to answer: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > claimed scientific proof for its effectiveness is shaky at best studies show the opposite: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ > there are definite dangers yeah, for kids with epilepsy. still best treatment so far even despite complications. none of this allows you to make any conclusions about harmful effects on healthy individuals. > In this case it is nutrition, where a group of people have decided that they've "cracked the metabolism's secrets", "dieticians hate this one easy trick!"-style. It doesn't work that way, though. There are no easy shortcuts to weight loss and health, no matter how you stress your metabolism. you're still in the mindset that keto is short term fat loss fad diet. it isn't, it's a longterm lifestyle change. > That is a very good lifestyle change, and enough to make up for the negatives of ketogenic diets of which you have yet to show any evidence. this whole thread is you reiterating the same crap and me constantly asking to back it up with some evidence. it's getting tiresome.
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  Keto is deliberately putting your metabolism into survival mode. It is putting a stress factor on the organism. The study you link claims to study a "long term ketogenic diet", but only cover a 24-week period. That's less than 6 months. That is absolutely not "long term". When talking about long term in diet and lifestyle terms, we are talking about several years, hopefully the entire remainder of a person's life. Maybe the keto diet is making your tired and argumentative (a well-known side effect). There is no reason to be belligerent, just because I don't believe in your chosen fad diet. https://asunow.asu.edu/content/low-carb-diets-may-stress-body-too-much-studies-find https://asunow.asu.edu/content/low-carb-diets-may-stress-bod...
  - keymone 9y ago
    > The study you link claims to study a "long term ketogenic diet", but only cover a 24-week period. That's less than 6 months. 24 weeks is 6 months give or take few days. but obviously you will keep coming up with higher barriers no matter the evidence presented to you. you silence on this one is very telling: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? inform yourself on the topic, then come arguing.
    - KozmoNau7 9y ago
      You're obviously a True Believer. Nothing I say will convince you.

keymone 9y ago

you still refuse to answer: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > claimed scientific proof for its effectiveness is shaky at best studies show the opposite: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ > there are definite dangers yeah, for kids with epilepsy. still best treatment so far even despite complications. none of this allows you to make any conclusions about harmful effects on healthy individuals. > In this case it is nutrition, where a group of people have decided that they've "cracked the metabolism's secrets", "dieticians hate this one easy trick!"-style. It doesn't work that way, though. There are no easy shortcuts to weight loss and health, no matter how you stress your metabolism. you're still in the mindset that keto is short term fat loss fad diet. it isn't, it's a longterm lifestyle change. > That is a very good lifestyle change, and enough to make up for the negatives of ketogenic diets of which you have yet to show any evidence. this whole thread is you reiterating the same crap and me constantly asking to back it up with some evidence. it's getting tiresome.

KozmoNau7 9y ago
Keto is deliberately putting your metabolism into survival mode. It is putting a stress factor on the organism. The study you link claims to study a "long term ketogenic diet", but only cover a 24-week period. That's less than 6 months. That is absolutely not "long term". When talking about long term in diet and lifestyle terms, we are talking about several years, hopefully the entire remainder of a person's life. Maybe the keto diet is making your tired and argumentative (a well-known side effect). There is no reason to be belligerent, just because I don't believe in your chosen fad diet. https://asunow.asu.edu/content/low-carb-diets-may-stress-body-too-much-studies-find https://asunow.asu.edu/content/low-carb-diets-may-stress-bod...
- keymone 9y ago
  > The study you link claims to study a "long term ketogenic diet", but only cover a 24-week period. That's less than 6 months. 24 weeks is 6 months give or take few days. but obviously you will keep coming up with higher barriers no matter the evidence presented to you. you silence on this one is very telling: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? inform yourself on the topic, then come arguing.
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    You're obviously a True Believer. Nothing I say will convince you.