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Are you eventually going for an external "headphone" system, a transdermal solution, or actual implants similar to BAHA hearing aids or the DIY transducer impla

Are you eventually going for an external "headphone" system, a transdermal solution, or actual implants similar to BAHA hearing aids or the DIY transducer implants some of the grinder community have installed, or perhaps even piercings in the tragus? What drivers are you using?

stuntkite 9y ago
I have no interest or ability to build surgical implants. Purely over you skin. I've read about people with hearing damage loving bone conduction over regular headphones. It's been described as miraculous by some. Obviously hearing loss is complex and that's not for everyone. What is the grinder community? I assume not the gay dating app, I don't think that has a scene for cyberpunk body mod, but I could be wrong. I linked to the drivers in another comment below. I think I can find better ones, but they are the most powerful I've been able to find and have good frequency response. They are also HUGE so with my test rig I look pretty silly wearing them.
- kakarot 9y ago
  I'm referring to grinder / transhumanist / biohacking communities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinder_(biohacking) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinder_(biohacking) Personally, I've been a member of https://biohack.me https://biohack.me since more or less its inception but I have yet to undergo any surgery. That will change soon, and transducer earphones are second on my list. Hence my questions, I love to compare notes.
  - stuntkite 9y ago
    Can you point me at information about these subdermal transducers you're looking at installing in your head? That sounds insane, but I kind of want some.
    - kakarot 9y ago
      A DIY subdermal approach by one of the early pioneers at biohack: https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/biohacking-implanted-headphones https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/biohacking... A surgery guide for a commercial transdermal product with lots of fun pictures: http://www.cochlear.com/wps/wcm/connect/8eb51452-641c-47a5-b6b9-9223f25686c5/BUN226+ISS2+JAN14+Attract+Surgery+Guide+US+TP.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CONVERT_TO=url&CACHEID=8eb51452-641c-47a5-b6b9-9223f25686c5 http://www.cochlear.com/wps/wcm/connect/8eb51452-641c-47a5-b... The general consensus, after much experimentation, is that the targus isn't the best site because it just doesn't conduct loudly enough. Direct bone conduction via surgery of course works well, but then there is still the issue of power and amplification. There's been talk in the past about a non-permanent dermal retainer that could do the same thing, and this could potentially be an all-inclusive package if done correctly. That's something I'd like to look into when I have the tools and money.
      - stuntkite 9y ago
        The targus and the temple are totally mid and high range. Try putting a 20W amped transducer on your jaw below your earlobe. You get VERY immersive sound. I see no way the targus implant could be worth it. I also don't see a way to put an implant on the jaw that would work because it's moving. The spread between mid/high on the temple/targus and mid/low on the jaw are crazy though. When you have both it is full imaging that includes a space with a frustum inside your head. Thanks for the body mod info! If you are looking at the implants I would highly suggest tying these positions I'm suggesting. I don't think it's worth the risk for the output!

stuntkite 9y ago

I have no interest or ability to build surgical implants. Purely over you skin. I've read about people with hearing damage loving bone conduction over regular headphones. It's been described as miraculous by some. Obviously hearing loss is complex and that's not for everyone. What is the grinder community? I assume not the gay dating app, I don't think that has a scene for cyberpunk body mod, but I could be wrong. I linked to the drivers in another comment below. I think I can find better ones, but they are the most powerful I've been able to find and have good frequency response. They are also HUGE so with my test rig I look pretty silly wearing them.

kakarot 9y ago
I'm referring to grinder / transhumanist / biohacking communities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinder_(biohacking) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinder_(biohacking) Personally, I've been a member of https://biohack.me https://biohack.me since more or less its inception but I have yet to undergo any surgery. That will change soon, and transducer earphones are second on my list. Hence my questions, I love to compare notes.
- stuntkite 9y ago
  Can you point me at information about these subdermal transducers you're looking at installing in your head? That sounds insane, but I kind of want some.
  - kakarot 9y ago
    A DIY subdermal approach by one of the early pioneers at biohack: https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/biohacking-implanted-headphones https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/biohacking... A surgery guide for a commercial transdermal product with lots of fun pictures: http://www.cochlear.com/wps/wcm/connect/8eb51452-641c-47a5-b6b9-9223f25686c5/BUN226+ISS2+JAN14+Attract+Surgery+Guide+US+TP.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CONVERT_TO=url&CACHEID=8eb51452-641c-47a5-b6b9-9223f25686c5 http://www.cochlear.com/wps/wcm/connect/8eb51452-641c-47a5-b... The general consensus, after much experimentation, is that the targus isn't the best site because it just doesn't conduct loudly enough. Direct bone conduction via surgery of course works well, but then there is still the issue of power and amplification. There's been talk in the past about a non-permanent dermal retainer that could do the same thing, and this could potentially be an all-inclusive package if done correctly. That's something I'd like to look into when I have the tools and money.
    - stuntkite 9y ago
      The targus and the temple are totally mid and high range. Try putting a 20W amped transducer on your jaw below your earlobe. You get VERY immersive sound. I see no way the targus implant could be worth it. I also don't see a way to put an implant on the jaw that would work because it's moving. The spread between mid/high on the temple/targus and mid/low on the jaw are crazy though. When you have both it is full imaging that includes a space with a frustum inside your head. Thanks for the body mod info! If you are looking at the implants I would highly suggest tying these positions I'm suggesting. I don't think it's worth the risk for the output!