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so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > Which is absolutely not the same thing as a hea

so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state. you call it emergency because you were told by some fad vegan food blogger to call it that because "emergency" comes with negative connotations. it's just a different metabolic state, there is no evidence that it is harmful long term. unless you want to present some?

KozmoNau7 9y ago
>fad vegan food blogger What? Hell no. I'm advocating for a healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle. "Eat food, mostly plants, not too much", and cut out those simple sugars and processed foods. Simple as that. No fads, just a basic long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. And without the risks associated with ketogenic diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.48504.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.... https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in-association-with-the-ketogenic-diet-WK63iPSt2S https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1059131112003032 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111...
- keymone 9y ago
  i have to keep repeating this: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle there can be more than one healthy and balanced diet > long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. yep, keto can be like this. no buzzwords, gurus, courses or books, just basic scientific facts about body metabolism. > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 9-yo girl with seizure disorder and ketogenic diet prescription since infancy. single case in 70 years of such treatment. > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005..... retrospective study of epilepsy patients treated with the KD during 1995 through 2003 at the Korean multicenters Conclusions: The KD is a safe and effective alternative therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Korea, although the customary diet contains substantially less fat than traditional Western diets, but life-threatening complications should be monitored closely during follow-up. > https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.. https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.... more reports about complications in patients treated from seizures. > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.... evaluate the efficacy and safety of the ketogenic diet (KD) treatment of refractory childhood epilepsy Conclusions The KD is a safe and efficacious therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Chinese children. The influence of age on efficacy is worth further investigation. do you spot the similarities? all those are reports about patients with epilepsy/seizures. some had complications. for most KD was effective in reducing seizures. making any implications from that data about effects on healthy individuals is ridiculous FUD.
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    Listen, I'm not going to stop you from keto or paleo or homeopathy or any other wild idea. Just be aware that the claimed scientific proof for its effectiveness is shaky at best, and there are definite dangers, which is why a medical professional should be consulted before starting. It may be fine for you, but you are not everyone. There is a hell of a lot of Dunning-Kruger effect going on in nerd circles, where high technical skill in one area is mistakenly believed to mean equal mastery in all other subjects. In this case it is nutrition, where a group of people have decided that they've "cracked the metabolism's secrets", "dieticians hate this one easy trick!"-style. It doesn't work that way, though. There are no easy shortcuts to weight loss and health, no matter how you stress your metabolism. Health is simple, but it is not easy. Dollars to donuts (ha!) your overall increase in health happened because you now look at lot more carefully at what you eat, plus cut out simple sugars completely. That is a very good lifestyle change, and enough to make up for the negatives of ketogenic diets, giving a net positive.
    - keymone 9y ago
      you still refuse to answer: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > claimed scientific proof for its effectiveness is shaky at best studies show the opposite: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ > there are definite dangers yeah, for kids with epilepsy. still best treatment so far even despite complications. none of this allows you to make any conclusions about harmful effects on healthy individuals. > In this case it is nutrition, where a group of people have decided that they've "cracked the metabolism's secrets", "dieticians hate this one easy trick!"-style. It doesn't work that way, though. There are no easy shortcuts to weight loss and health, no matter how you stress your metabolism. you're still in the mindset that keto is short term fat loss fad diet. it isn't, it's a longterm lifestyle change. > That is a very good lifestyle change, and enough to make up for the negatives of ketogenic diets of which you have yet to show any evidence. this whole thread is you reiterating the same crap and me constantly asking to back it up with some evidence. it's getting tiresome.

KozmoNau7 9y ago

>fad vegan food blogger What? Hell no. I'm advocating for a healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle. "Eat food, mostly plants, not too much", and cut out those simple sugars and processed foods. Simple as that. No fads, just a basic long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. And without the risks associated with ketogenic diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.48504.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.... https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in-association-with-the-ketogenic-diet-WK63iPSt2S https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1059131112003032 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111...

keymone 9y ago
i have to keep repeating this: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle there can be more than one healthy and balanced diet > long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. yep, keto can be like this. no buzzwords, gurus, courses or books, just basic scientific facts about body metabolism. > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 9-yo girl with seizure disorder and ketogenic diet prescription since infancy. single case in 70 years of such treatment. > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005..... retrospective study of epilepsy patients treated with the KD during 1995 through 2003 at the Korean multicenters Conclusions: The KD is a safe and effective alternative therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Korea, although the customary diet contains substantially less fat than traditional Western diets, but life-threatening complications should be monitored closely during follow-up. > https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.. https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.... more reports about complications in patients treated from seizures. > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.... evaluate the efficacy and safety of the ketogenic diet (KD) treatment of refractory childhood epilepsy Conclusions The KD is a safe and efficacious therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Chinese children. The influence of age on efficacy is worth further investigation. do you spot the similarities? all those are reports about patients with epilepsy/seizures. some had complications. for most KD was effective in reducing seizures. making any implications from that data about effects on healthy individuals is ridiculous FUD.
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  Listen, I'm not going to stop you from keto or paleo or homeopathy or any other wild idea. Just be aware that the claimed scientific proof for its effectiveness is shaky at best, and there are definite dangers, which is why a medical professional should be consulted before starting. It may be fine for you, but you are not everyone. There is a hell of a lot of Dunning-Kruger effect going on in nerd circles, where high technical skill in one area is mistakenly believed to mean equal mastery in all other subjects. In this case it is nutrition, where a group of people have decided that they've "cracked the metabolism's secrets", "dieticians hate this one easy trick!"-style. It doesn't work that way, though. There are no easy shortcuts to weight loss and health, no matter how you stress your metabolism. Health is simple, but it is not easy. Dollars to donuts (ha!) your overall increase in health happened because you now look at lot more carefully at what you eat, plus cut out simple sugars completely. That is a very good lifestyle change, and enough to make up for the negatives of ketogenic diets, giving a net positive.
  - keymone 9y ago
    you still refuse to answer: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > claimed scientific proof for its effectiveness is shaky at best studies show the opposite: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/ > there are definite dangers yeah, for kids with epilepsy. still best treatment so far even despite complications. none of this allows you to make any conclusions about harmful effects on healthy individuals. > In this case it is nutrition, where a group of people have decided that they've "cracked the metabolism's secrets", "dieticians hate this one easy trick!"-style. It doesn't work that way, though. There are no easy shortcuts to weight loss and health, no matter how you stress your metabolism. you're still in the mindset that keto is short term fat loss fad diet. it isn't, it's a longterm lifestyle change. > That is a very good lifestyle change, and enough to make up for the negatives of ketogenic diets of which you have yet to show any evidence. this whole thread is you reiterating the same crap and me constantly asking to back it up with some evidence. it's getting tiresome.