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so still no comment on protein? unless we get to the bottom of this, everything you're saying about keto comes with a huge blinking neon sign "HAS NO IDEA WHAT

so still no comment on protein? unless we get to the bottom of this, everything you're saying about keto comes with a huge blinking neon sign "HAS NO IDEA WHAT KETO IS"? > emergency state nope. it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in. there is no scientific evidence that ketosis is harmful. > if you're conscious of the dangers (especially ketoacidosis) ketoacidosis is impossible to achieve on keto diet unless you are trying VERY hard. seriously, inform yourself on the topic https://www.healthline.com/health/ketosis-vs-ketoacidosis https://www.healthline.com/health/ketosis-vs-ketoacidosis > absolutely shouldn't be done on the long term you know that because? > Long term lifestyle change is what is actually needed, not short term fad diets totally agree. the difference is that i know that keto is a valid long term lifestyle and there is no evidence of it being harmful, while the benefits i observe every day.

KozmoNau7 9y ago
>it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in In an emergency Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state.
- keymone 9y ago
  so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state. you call it emergency because you were told by some fad vegan food blogger to call it that because "emergency" comes with negative connotations. it's just a different metabolic state, there is no evidence that it is harmful long term. unless you want to present some?
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    >fad vegan food blogger What? Hell no. I'm advocating for a healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle. "Eat food, mostly plants, not too much", and cut out those simple sugars and processed foods. Simple as that. No fads, just a basic long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. And without the risks associated with ketogenic diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.48504.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.... https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in-association-with-the-ketogenic-diet-WK63iPSt2S https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1059131112003032 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111...
    - keymone 9y ago
      i have to keep repeating this: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle there can be more than one healthy and balanced diet > long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. yep, keto can be like this. no buzzwords, gurus, courses or books, just basic scientific facts about body metabolism. > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 9-yo girl with seizure disorder and ketogenic diet prescription since infancy. single case in 70 years of such treatment. > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005..... retrospective study of epilepsy patients treated with the KD during 1995 through 2003 at the Korean multicenters Conclusions: The KD is a safe and effective alternative therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Korea, although the customary diet contains substantially less fat than traditional Western diets, but life-threatening complications should be monitored closely during follow-up. > https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.. https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.... more reports about complications in patients treated from seizures. > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.... evaluate the efficacy and safety of the ketogenic diet (KD) treatment of refractory childhood epilepsy Conclusions The KD is a safe and efficacious therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Chinese children. The influence of age on efficacy is worth further investigation. do you spot the similarities? all those are reports about patients with epilepsy/seizures. some had complications. for most KD was effective in reducing seizures. making any implications from that data about effects on healthy individuals is ridiculous FUD.
      - KozmoNau7 9y ago
        Listen, I'm not going to stop you from keto or paleo or homeopathy or any other wild idea. Just be aware that the claimed scientific proof for its effectiveness is shaky at best, and there are definite dangers, which is why a medical professional should be consulted before starting. It may be fine for you, but you are not everyone. There is a hell of a lot of Dunning-Kruger effect going on in nerd circles, where high technical skill in one area is mistakenly believed to mean equal mastery in all other subjects. In this case it is nutrition, where a group of people have decided that they've "cracked the metabolism's secrets", "dieticians hate this one easy trick!"-style. It doesn't work that way, though. There are no easy shortcuts to weight loss and health, no matter how you stress your metabolism. Health is simple, but it is not easy. Dollars to donuts (ha!) your overall increase in health happened because you now look at lot more carefully at what you eat, plus cut out simple sugars completely. That is a very good lifestyle change, and enough to make up for the negatives of ketogenic diets, giving a net positive.

KozmoNau7 9y ago

>it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in In an emergency Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state.

keymone 9y ago
so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state. you call it emergency because you were told by some fad vegan food blogger to call it that because "emergency" comes with negative connotations. it's just a different metabolic state, there is no evidence that it is harmful long term. unless you want to present some?
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  >fad vegan food blogger What? Hell no. I'm advocating for a healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle. "Eat food, mostly plants, not too much", and cut out those simple sugars and processed foods. Simple as that. No fads, just a basic long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. And without the risks associated with ketogenic diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.48504.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.... https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in-association-with-the-ketogenic-diet-WK63iPSt2S https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1059131112003032 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111...
  - keymone 9y ago
    i have to keep repeating this: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle there can be more than one healthy and balanced diet > long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. yep, keto can be like this. no buzzwords, gurus, courses or books, just basic scientific facts about body metabolism. > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 9-yo girl with seizure disorder and ketogenic diet prescription since infancy. single case in 70 years of such treatment. > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005..... retrospective study of epilepsy patients treated with the KD during 1995 through 2003 at the Korean multicenters Conclusions: The KD is a safe and effective alternative therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Korea, although the customary diet contains substantially less fat than traditional Western diets, but life-threatening complications should be monitored closely during follow-up. > https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.. https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.... more reports about complications in patients treated from seizures. > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.... evaluate the efficacy and safety of the ketogenic diet (KD) treatment of refractory childhood epilepsy Conclusions The KD is a safe and efficacious therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Chinese children. The influence of age on efficacy is worth further investigation. do you spot the similarities? all those are reports about patients with epilepsy/seizures. some had complications. for most KD was effective in reducing seizures. making any implications from that data about effects on healthy individuals is ridiculous FUD.
    - KozmoNau7 9y ago
      Listen, I'm not going to stop you from keto or paleo or homeopathy or any other wild idea. Just be aware that the claimed scientific proof for its effectiveness is shaky at best, and there are definite dangers, which is why a medical professional should be consulted before starting. It may be fine for you, but you are not everyone. There is a hell of a lot of Dunning-Kruger effect going on in nerd circles, where high technical skill in one area is mistakenly believed to mean equal mastery in all other subjects. In this case it is nutrition, where a group of people have decided that they've "cracked the metabolism's secrets", "dieticians hate this one easy trick!"-style. It doesn't work that way, though. There are no easy shortcuts to weight loss and health, no matter how you stress your metabolism. Health is simple, but it is not easy. Dollars to donuts (ha!) your overall increase in health happened because you now look at lot more carefully at what you eat, plus cut out simple sugars completely. That is a very good lifestyle change, and enough to make up for the negatives of ketogenic diets, giving a net positive.