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I said there's a vocal segment of the population that is hostile to white men, not systematic discrimination. This segment includes people at powerful instituti

I said there's a vocal segment of the population that is hostile to white men, not systematic discrimination. This segment includes people at powerful institutions, and they're actively seeking more power. If they take power then you'll see systematic discrimination against white men in employment. Right now, other groups experience discrimination more often, but that doesn't make discrimination against white people acceptable. I'm also arguing that working class men of all races, not only white, are suffering because manufacturing jobs have left America. In fact, whole communities, men and women of all races suffering because of that. Meanwhile we see how much the presence of manufacturing jobs in China is fueling whole communities. I think both of those factors contributed to Trump's success. The conversation also strayed to systematic discrimination against men in education, the justice system, and social support, but I don't think this has much to do with Trump's success.

scarface74 9y ago
There is also a vocal segment of racists, homophobes, sexists and people who want to impose their religious beliefs on America that mostly lean Republican. But no one here is arguing about policy changes based on that.
- leereeves 9y ago
  Just to clarify: are you arguing that sexism against men and racism against whites is OK because these other people exist? If not, what you just said is pure whataboutism. It's also incorrect. People on this very page are arguing that conservative speech shouldn't be protected because of the existence of those extremists.
  - scarface74 9y ago
    I'm not saying it's "okay". All speech should be protected from the government banning it. If conservatives don't like the policies on Internet forums, they are welcome to start their own. If you can find studies showing - that controlling for all other variables - that white males are being discriminated against and that it is caused by discrimination, I'm all eyes. Just like I said about the wage gap between men and women. Most of the studies I've seen reported even by places with a more liberal bent is that the wage gap can in large part be attributed to women choosing less demanding careers that allow them to spend more time taking care of kids. It's not being caused by disctimination. Can you show from studies that the outcomes you described are being caused by discrimination?

scarface74 9y ago

There is also a vocal segment of racists, homophobes, sexists and people who want to impose their religious beliefs on America that mostly lean Republican. But no one here is arguing about policy changes based on that.

leereeves 9y ago
Just to clarify: are you arguing that sexism against men and racism against whites is OK because these other people exist? If not, what you just said is pure whataboutism. It's also incorrect. People on this very page are arguing that conservative speech shouldn't be protected because of the existence of those extremists.
- scarface74 9y ago
  I'm not saying it's "okay". All speech should be protected from the government banning it. If conservatives don't like the policies on Internet forums, they are welcome to start their own. If you can find studies showing - that controlling for all other variables - that white males are being discriminated against and that it is caused by discrimination, I'm all eyes. Just like I said about the wage gap between men and women. Most of the studies I've seen reported even by places with a more liberal bent is that the wage gap can in large part be attributed to women choosing less demanding careers that allow them to spend more time taking care of kids. It's not being caused by disctimination. Can you show from studies that the outcomes you described are being caused by discrimination?