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>If you do not conform, you will be downvoted into oblivion. Is that true though? Conform in what way? Who cares about being downvoted anyway?? I don't get it

>If you do not conform, you will be downvoted into oblivion. Is that true though? Conform in what way? Who cares about being downvoted anyway?? I don't get it. After a few tantrums about it, I've realized it doesn't matter, I don't need to add edit: Could downvoters explain why please if they don't explain. Why do I care about my internet points, why am I getting sucked in to caring about the gamification? Why does it matter? Say you are right, some opinions, even expressed articulately, helpfully, admirably etc are still always downvoted "into oblivion". So if you care, if it's important for you to change minds on it, try even harder to be more informed, articulate, irreproachable than the alleged HN 'conformists'. Hehe already talking like that, 'If you do not conform' has that heroic-paranoid-martyr sound to it that frequently downvoted/rate-limited people get. The people that ranted bitterly on the What has HN given you? page. They think it's what they say that's the problem, but in my experience it's inevitably how they say it. But every further downvote just 'proves' to them they're right. And I'm not sure why you think HN would be better without oblivion-downvoting/flagging. More like Youtube, sure. But better? "Completely killed any chance", "giant echo chamber".. such dramatic language. Is your tone of such absolute certainty justified? Well, still there are people who think the dominant 'conformity' on HN is pro-US, anti-US, socialist, libertarian, and pro- and anti- just about anything you can imagine.

Annatar 9y ago
“Is that true though?” It is very real. And systemic. When an unsubstantiated Docker or Kubernetes piece shows up as a story here, try asking a simple “why is that stubbornly getting pushed instead of alternatives?” and observe getting no answer to a simple “why?” while it gets downvoted under a pretense of being unsubstantiated, although the motivation for the story itself is unsubstantiated. What happens in reality is that you dared to ask a critical question which goes against ego-stroking and mob mentality. Or try asking or criticizing Rust or just mentioning Rust evangelism strike force to see just how much of an echo chamber this place is; it will be a fascinating psychosocial experiment on crowd mentality and ego-reassurance. We are now at the point in our global societal evolution where why’s have become dangerous, considered oppositional, often considered confrontational, and that is deeply disturbing, because I’ve seen and lived through situations where such thinking leads. It’s a very subtle form of fascism in a different package. “HN” just reflects the wider systemic problems with group think dynamics.
- yesenadam 9y ago
  >you dared to ask a critical question which goes against ego-stroking and mob mentality But here's that paranoid-heroic-martyr tone again. Maybe it wasn't a "simple" question, but the frustration at these things happening again and again drives you to feel justified in petulant, angry accusations, or even just an irritatingly whiny tone. Doesn't it say in the guidelines not to question items, but to flag them etc? It's tedious for people to read that again and again. Just don't read them, maybe? Sure, there are fashions in these things. And in all things. But why do you feel so superior and altogether above that, while using your psychobabble labels—"crowd mentality and ego-reassurance","evangelism"? The very downvoting you should expect as inevitable here is something you must fight and totally overcome everywhere, right now. (i.e. the hysterical quality people find so objectionable in SJWs) Really, 'fascism'?! You are the 'brave', 'daring' one huh? And they are the ones doing the 'ego-stroking'? Ah anyway, what do I know, I'm new here. Best wishes!

Annatar 9y ago

“Is that true though?” It is very real. And systemic. When an unsubstantiated Docker or Kubernetes piece shows up as a story here, try asking a simple “why is that stubbornly getting pushed instead of alternatives?” and observe getting no answer to a simple “why?” while it gets downvoted under a pretense of being unsubstantiated, although the motivation for the story itself is unsubstantiated. What happens in reality is that you dared to ask a critical question which goes against ego-stroking and mob mentality. Or try asking or criticizing Rust or just mentioning Rust evangelism strike force to see just how much of an echo chamber this place is; it will be a fascinating psychosocial experiment on crowd mentality and ego-reassurance. We are now at the point in our global societal evolution where why’s have become dangerous, considered oppositional, often considered confrontational, and that is deeply disturbing, because I’ve seen and lived through situations where such thinking leads. It’s a very subtle form of fascism in a different package. “HN” just reflects the wider systemic problems with group think dynamics.

yesenadam 9y ago
>you dared to ask a critical question which goes against ego-stroking and mob mentality But here's that paranoid-heroic-martyr tone again. Maybe it wasn't a "simple" question, but the frustration at these things happening again and again drives you to feel justified in petulant, angry accusations, or even just an irritatingly whiny tone. Doesn't it say in the guidelines not to question items, but to flag them etc? It's tedious for people to read that again and again. Just don't read them, maybe? Sure, there are fashions in these things. And in all things. But why do you feel so superior and altogether above that, while using your psychobabble labels—"crowd mentality and ego-reassurance","evangelism"? The very downvoting you should expect as inevitable here is something you must fight and totally overcome everywhere, right now. (i.e. the hysterical quality people find so objectionable in SJWs) Really, 'fascism'?! You are the 'brave', 'daring' one huh? And they are the ones doing the 'ego-stroking'? Ah anyway, what do I know, I'm new here. Best wishes!