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Ironically you're being down voted because of your post. Having seen some atrocious perspectives and opinions and Hacker News, being able to challenge some one

Ironically you're being down voted because of your post. Having seen some atrocious perspectives and opinions and Hacker News, being able to challenge some one or offer a rebuttal that doesn't turn into a comment storm is important. I don't want to engage with a troll. I want to give them a down vote and hope they're flagged and removed more often than not (I can't down vote anyone yet...). But, there's a fine line between down voting some one because they're offensive, obtuse or obnoxious and disagreeing with some one's opinion. I don't agree with you. In fact I outright disagree with your opinion on HN becoming an echo chamber. I believe HN is far an echo chamber, I also think it's far more diverse than most. But naturally and organically the opinions here tend to confirm with a certain bias and I like to think that's because we here on HN take more time to discuss our conversations and perspectives than the echo chambers you find on Reddit or on Facebook. I want to believe HN is more in line with a common good, a common ideal and common truth of humanity (you can call me out on being naive here if you wish, I'm feeling more optimistic today than I normally do and I don't know why but let's let sleeping dogs lie, my cynicism is usually relentless...). So, yeah. I disagree with you. But I wouldn't down vote you. Even if I could. Edit: poor choice of words, sentence structure, I rushed it all to get it out in time in the hope one day I can get to 500 karma and down vote trolls.

cabraca 9y ago
> In fact I outright disagree with your opinion on HN becoming an echo chamber. I wouldn't say its a black and white issue. It heavily depends on the topic. For example the Google Memo. Even the slightest hint that someone agrees (on specific points) with damore was a guarantee for downvotes. In that case i would say HN reflects some sort of echo chamber.
- yorwba 9y ago
  Some of my highest-upvoted comments were made in that thread, agreeing with specific points. There were also plenty of downvotes, but somehow the balance still ended up positive. I don't think different people voting in opposite directions is a sign of an echo chamber.
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- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > For example the Google Memo. Even the slightest hint that someone agrees (on specific points) with damore was a guarantee for downvotes. Which specific points? Because looking at the recent 782 (currently) thread on him losing the NLRB case [0], I don't see many posts downvoted to gray on any side, with plenty of people posting things which are generally supportive of Damore without being downvoted. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16396554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16396554
  - DanBC 9y ago
    A post with 8 downvotes and 10 upvotes won't show as gray.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      Right, because it has a net positive total, but instead has a net positive reaction from the community.
      - DanBC 9y ago
        But it's still been downvoted. It's a downvoted post. It's also been upvoted, and has been upvoted more than it was downvoted. But people talking about downvotes aren't always talking about the combined up / down total.

cabraca 9y ago

> In fact I outright disagree with your opinion on HN becoming an echo chamber. I wouldn't say its a black and white issue. It heavily depends on the topic. For example the Google Memo. Even the slightest hint that someone agrees (on specific points) with damore was a guarantee for downvotes. In that case i would say HN reflects some sort of echo chamber.

yorwba 9y ago
Some of my highest-upvoted comments were made in that thread, agreeing with specific points. There were also plenty of downvotes, but somehow the balance still ended up positive. I don't think different people voting in opposite directions is a sign of an echo chamber.
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dragonwriter 9y ago
> For example the Google Memo. Even the slightest hint that someone agrees (on specific points) with damore was a guarantee for downvotes. Which specific points? Because looking at the recent 782 (currently) thread on him losing the NLRB case [0], I don't see many posts downvoted to gray on any side, with plenty of people posting things which are generally supportive of Damore without being downvoted. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16396554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16396554
- DanBC 9y ago
  A post with 8 downvotes and 10 upvotes won't show as gray.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    Right, because it has a net positive total, but instead has a net positive reaction from the community.
    - DanBC 9y ago
      But it's still been downvoted. It's a downvoted post. It's also been upvoted, and has been upvoted more than it was downvoted. But people talking about downvotes aren't always talking about the combined up / down total.