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I don't understand the point of all these stupid chat apps... Discord, Slack ect... If you need real time there is IRC. Otherwise, just setup a mailing list.

by anfilt 9y ago

chapium 9y ago
If you want both, there is Slack ;) Why separate your communication into two tools instead of one?
- hiccuphippo 9y ago
  Luckily Attlasian has jitsi too so you can separate it into two again :^)
- austincheney 9y ago
  Because one is a free and open standard where you actually own your data.
  - tortasaur 9y ago
    I think Riot/Matrix is a happy compromise. I've been hosting a couple of servers (one for fun, one for work) for about half a year now, and it's working well.
u801e 9y ago
> If you need real time there is IRC. The problem with IRC is that you cannot get chat history of a channel unless you configure a bouncer to do it for you. On that note, what's your opinion on XMPP? We used to use a XMPP server for internal company communication and the server was configured to replay the chat history to a client when it connected. > Otherwise, just setup a mailing list. That has a similar problem to IRC which is that new members cannot easily access messages sent before they joined. A better option would be an internally hosted NNTP server.
- davidw 9y ago
  Chat is ephemeral for quick back and forth discussion. If you need history, maybe you should be using email anyway.
  - u801e 9y ago
    Perhaps, but a lot of times, certain discussions take place over chat, and it's beneficial if someone who happens to join a little later in the conversation can simply read through the chat history to get up to speed rather than interrupting everyone to get some context to the conversation and proceed to ask questions about things that had already been discussed (rather than simply reading and getting the answers that way). Open protocols can certainly do this.
- anfilt 9y ago
  You could do that as well with IRC. I like IRC since the protocol is so simple you could almost type in a raw telnet session live. That simplicity also means it's not to hard to add additional things to it. If you want.
  - u801e 9y ago
    > You could do that as well with IRC. You mean replaying channel chat history on the server side without having to use a bouncer? > I like IRC since the protocol is so simple you could almost type in a raw telnet session live. That is true and it makes writing bots relatively easy. From what I've read about XMPP, it appears that most languages have libraries to abstract the XMPP protocol to make writing a bot easier.
hungryducks 9y ago
I agree, I hate all the constant spam of messages but my company uses Slack so I have to as well. Slack does have a colorblind theme, so I guess I got that going for me, which is nice.
notatoad 9y ago
sometimes, you need to use a chat app to talk to other people. in those cases, an app that the person at the other end of the conversation can have a fighting chance at figuring out how to use it can be a good thing.
hnarn 9y ago
You're like that person who laughed about Hotmail when it came out, because why would you want someone else to host your e-mail, and why would you want to access it in a browser instead of via a full-featured client? There's a difference between being "wrong" (which you're not), and realizing that 99,9% of people in the world aren't you. IRC will never be used for corporate communication. IRC usage has been declining steadily since 2003[1]. It's over. Facebook solved a problem that many people had, despite the fact that Myspace, group e-mails, real-time chat and online photo sharing already existed. That's why they today have a market cap of over 500 billion US dollars. Slack made the concept of IRC usable for "normal people". You're not normal people (that's meant as a compliment), so your capabilities aren't really relevant when looking at why things succeed or fail on a larger scale. [1]: http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/04/24/irc-is-dead-long-live-irc/ http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/04/24/irc-is-dead-long-live-ir...
- u801e 9y ago
  > You're like that person who laughed about Hotmail when it came out, because why would you want someone else to host your e-mail, and why would you want to access it in a browser instead of via a full-featured client? And, to this day, Hotmail is still significantly slower and harder to use compared to Thunderbird. The only advantage is that it still has emails that I received almost 20 years ago. > IRC will never be used for corporate communication. As recently as last year, we were using IRC for corporate communication where I work. Fortunately, I'm still able to use the IRC gateway with Slack, but I really don't see any real advantage to using Slack over IRC on a work computer that's always connected. My client's logging easily beats what Slack provides. > That's why they today have a market cap of over 500 billion US dollars. I don't think it's because it solved a problem about keeping in touch. It's just an advertising platform and the reason why it has a market cap of that value. > Slack made the concept of IRC usable for "normal people". A decade or so ago, I communicated with many normal people over IRC and Usenet. More normal people were able to use chat clients like ICQ, and the various messenger clients (AOL, MSN, Yahoo, Google). I simply don't see why people keep saying that Slack and hosted chat providers like it are some new innovation that people can finally use when they've been able to do so for the last several decades.
bovermyer 9y ago
I use Discord heavily. I'd love to hear why you think IRC is better for voice and text chat than Discord.

I don't understand the point of all these stupid chat apps... Discord, Slack ect... If you need real time there is IRC. Otherwise, just setup a mailing list.

by anfilt 9y ago

I don't understand the point of all these stupid chat apps... Discord, Slack ect... If you need real time there is IRC. Otherwise, just setup a mailing list.

chapium 9y ago

If you want both, there is Slack ;) Why separate your communication into two tools instead of one?

hiccuphippo 9y ago
Luckily Attlasian has jitsi too so you can separate it into two again :^)
austincheney 9y ago
Because one is a free and open standard where you actually own your data.
- tortasaur 9y ago
  I think Riot/Matrix is a happy compromise. I've been hosting a couple of servers (one for fun, one for work) for about half a year now, and it's working well.

u801e 9y ago

> If you need real time there is IRC. The problem with IRC is that you cannot get chat history of a channel unless you configure a bouncer to do it for you. On that note, what's your opinion on XMPP? We used to use a XMPP server for internal company communication and the server was configured to replay the chat history to a client when it connected. > Otherwise, just setup a mailing list. That has a similar problem to IRC which is that new members cannot easily access messages sent before they joined. A better option would be an internally hosted NNTP server.

davidw 9y ago
Chat is ephemeral for quick back and forth discussion. If you need history, maybe you should be using email anyway.
- u801e 9y ago
  Perhaps, but a lot of times, certain discussions take place over chat, and it's beneficial if someone who happens to join a little later in the conversation can simply read through the chat history to get up to speed rather than interrupting everyone to get some context to the conversation and proceed to ask questions about things that had already been discussed (rather than simply reading and getting the answers that way). Open protocols can certainly do this.
anfilt 9y ago
You could do that as well with IRC. I like IRC since the protocol is so simple you could almost type in a raw telnet session live. That simplicity also means it's not to hard to add additional things to it. If you want.
- u801e 9y ago
  > You could do that as well with IRC. You mean replaying channel chat history on the server side without having to use a bouncer? > I like IRC since the protocol is so simple you could almost type in a raw telnet session live. That is true and it makes writing bots relatively easy. From what I've read about XMPP, it appears that most languages have libraries to abstract the XMPP protocol to make writing a bot easier.

hungryducks 9y ago

I agree, I hate all the constant spam of messages but my company uses Slack so I have to as well. Slack does have a colorblind theme, so I guess I got that going for me, which is nice.

notatoad 9y ago

sometimes, you need to use a chat app to talk to other people. in those cases, an app that the person at the other end of the conversation can have a fighting chance at figuring out how to use it can be a good thing.

hnarn 9y ago

You're like that person who laughed about Hotmail when it came out, because why would you want someone else to host your e-mail, and why would you want to access it in a browser instead of via a full-featured client? There's a difference between being "wrong" (which you're not), and realizing that 99,9% of people in the world aren't you. IRC will never be used for corporate communication. IRC usage has been declining steadily since 2003[1]. It's over. Facebook solved a problem that many people had, despite the fact that Myspace, group e-mails, real-time chat and online photo sharing already existed. That's why they today have a market cap of over 500 billion US dollars. Slack made the concept of IRC usable for "normal people". You're not normal people (that's meant as a compliment), so your capabilities aren't really relevant when looking at why things succeed or fail on a larger scale. [1]: http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/04/24/irc-is-dead-long-live-irc/ http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/04/24/irc-is-dead-long-live-ir...

u801e 9y ago
> You're like that person who laughed about Hotmail when it came out, because why would you want someone else to host your e-mail, and why would you want to access it in a browser instead of via a full-featured client? And, to this day, Hotmail is still significantly slower and harder to use compared to Thunderbird. The only advantage is that it still has emails that I received almost 20 years ago. > IRC will never be used for corporate communication. As recently as last year, we were using IRC for corporate communication where I work. Fortunately, I'm still able to use the IRC gateway with Slack, but I really don't see any real advantage to using Slack over IRC on a work computer that's always connected. My client's logging easily beats what Slack provides. > That's why they today have a market cap of over 500 billion US dollars. I don't think it's because it solved a problem about keeping in touch. It's just an advertising platform and the reason why it has a market cap of that value. > Slack made the concept of IRC usable for "normal people". A decade or so ago, I communicated with many normal people over IRC and Usenet. More normal people were able to use chat clients like ICQ, and the various messenger clients (AOL, MSN, Yahoo, Google). I simply don't see why people keep saying that Slack and hosted chat providers like it are some new innovation that people can finally use when they've been able to do so for the last several decades.

bovermyer 9y ago

I use Discord heavily. I'd love to hear why you think IRC is better for voice and text chat than Discord.