Your claim that I was responding to was "it's impossible to write a clean room vm implementation without infringing these patents", which is false (J9, JRockit)

Your claim that I was responding to was "it's impossible to write a clean room vm implementation without infringing these patents", which is false (J9, JRockit), and which is also a different issue than whether Harmony has a patent grant. Harmony doesn't have a patent grant now, that's true. But the reason it doesn't is because it refuses to accept the current license terms. I don't think this is "grandstanding" - it's absolutely critical, and I completely side with Apache. But the simple reality is that Harmony is in a much more secure position than Dalvik, and Apache has a much more defensible position than Google. To claim otherwise is pure FUD. Why does it matter? Because people should care about the Google suit independent of the idea that Apache might be next. When you try to sell that idea, you make it sound like this lawsuit isn't actually all that bad compared to what it could be, but that's wrong. This is the case that matters, not some hypothetical against Apache. Get pissed now.