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of course you have nothing to say when factual data gets involved :) good luck

KozmoNau7 9y ago
I would have something to say if you came with actual data. I've provided expert opinions that keto and Paleo are objectively bad. You've provided nothing but emotional arguments and pseudoscience.
- keymone 9y ago
  > I would have something to say if you came with actual data. the actual data is that protein consumption on keto is 1g per kilogram of bodyweight. the question is why do you think that is "overeating protein", and if you don't - you're obviously thinking of a different number and the question becomes what it is and where did you get that number? > expert opinions that keto and Paleo are objectively bad expert opinion is by definition not objective, it's an opinion. you haven't even provided any evidence that keto is "bad". from everything you've said the only conclusion i can make is that you have no idea what keto is at all.
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    The only positive thing keto does (as a side effect) is cut down on simple sugars. Everything else is counterproductive at best. You're putting your body in an emergency state and stressing your overall health. It can work short term, if you're conscious of the dangers (especially ketoacidosis), but it absolutely shouldn't be done on the long term, unless you have a very specific medical need (such as epilepsy). And as always, short term diets are silly and can cause more harm than good. Long term lifestyle change is what is actually needed, not short term fad diets.
    - keymone 9y ago
      so still no comment on protein? unless we get to the bottom of this, everything you're saying about keto comes with a huge blinking neon sign "HAS NO IDEA WHAT KETO IS"? > emergency state nope. it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in. there is no scientific evidence that ketosis is harmful. > if you're conscious of the dangers (especially ketoacidosis) ketoacidosis is impossible to achieve on keto diet unless you are trying VERY hard. seriously, inform yourself on the topic https://www.healthline.com/health/ketosis-vs-ketoacidosis https://www.healthline.com/health/ketosis-vs-ketoacidosis > absolutely shouldn't be done on the long term you know that because? > Long term lifestyle change is what is actually needed, not short term fad diets totally agree. the difference is that i know that keto is a valid long term lifestyle and there is no evidence of it being harmful, while the benefits i observe every day.
      - KozmoNau7 9y ago
        >it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in In an emergency Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state.
        keymone 9y ago
        so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state. you call it emergency because you were told by some fad vegan food blogger to call it that because "emergency" comes with negative connotations. it's just a different metabolic state, there is no evidence that it is harmful long term. unless you want to present some?
        KozmoNau7 9y ago
        >fad vegan food blogger What? Hell no. I'm advocating for a healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle. "Eat food, mostly plants, not too much", and cut out those simple sugars and processed foods. Simple as that. No fads, just a basic long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. And without the risks associated with ketogenic diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.48504.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.... https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in-association-with-the-ketogenic-diet-WK63iPSt2S https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1059131112003032 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111...
        keymone 9y ago
        i have to keep repeating this: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle there can be more than one healthy and balanced diet > long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. yep, keto can be like this. no buzzwords, gurus, courses or books, just basic scientific facts about body metabolism. > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 9-yo girl with seizure disorder and ketogenic diet prescription since infancy. single case in 70 years of such treatment. > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005..... retrospective study of epilepsy patients treated with the KD during 1995 through 2003 at the Korean multicenters Conclusions: The KD is a safe and effective alternative therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Korea, although the customary diet contains substantially less fat than traditional Western diets, but life-threatening complications should be monitored closely during follow-up. > https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.. https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.... more reports about complications in patients treated from seizures. > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.... evaluate the efficacy and safety of the ketogenic diet (KD) treatment of refractory childhood epilepsy Conclusions The KD is a safe and efficacious therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Chinese children. The influence of age on efficacy is worth further investigation. do you spot the similarities? all those are reports about patients with epilepsy/seizures. some had complications. for most KD was effective in reducing seizures. making any implications from that data about effects on healthy individuals is ridiculous FUD.

I would have something to say if you came with actual data. I've provided expert opinions that keto and Paleo are objectively bad. You've provided nothing but emotional arguments and pseudoscience.

keymone 9y ago
> I would have something to say if you came with actual data. the actual data is that protein consumption on keto is 1g per kilogram of bodyweight. the question is why do you think that is "overeating protein", and if you don't - you're obviously thinking of a different number and the question becomes what it is and where did you get that number? > expert opinions that keto and Paleo are objectively bad expert opinion is by definition not objective, it's an opinion. you haven't even provided any evidence that keto is "bad". from everything you've said the only conclusion i can make is that you have no idea what keto is at all.
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  The only positive thing keto does (as a side effect) is cut down on simple sugars. Everything else is counterproductive at best. You're putting your body in an emergency state and stressing your overall health. It can work short term, if you're conscious of the dangers (especially ketoacidosis), but it absolutely shouldn't be done on the long term, unless you have a very specific medical need (such as epilepsy). And as always, short term diets are silly and can cause more harm than good. Long term lifestyle change is what is actually needed, not short term fad diets.
  - keymone 9y ago
    so still no comment on protein? unless we get to the bottom of this, everything you're saying about keto comes with a huge blinking neon sign "HAS NO IDEA WHAT KETO IS"? > emergency state nope. it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in. there is no scientific evidence that ketosis is harmful. > if you're conscious of the dangers (especially ketoacidosis) ketoacidosis is impossible to achieve on keto diet unless you are trying VERY hard. seriously, inform yourself on the topic https://www.healthline.com/health/ketosis-vs-ketoacidosis https://www.healthline.com/health/ketosis-vs-ketoacidosis > absolutely shouldn't be done on the long term you know that because? > Long term lifestyle change is what is actually needed, not short term fad diets totally agree. the difference is that i know that keto is a valid long term lifestyle and there is no evidence of it being harmful, while the benefits i observe every day.
    - KozmoNau7 9y ago
      >it's a state our bodies have evolved to survive in In an emergency Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state.
      - keymone 9y ago
        so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > Which is absolutely not the same thing as a healthy long term state. you call it emergency because you were told by some fad vegan food blogger to call it that because "emergency" comes with negative connotations. it's just a different metabolic state, there is no evidence that it is harmful long term. unless you want to present some?
        KozmoNau7 9y ago
        >fad vegan food blogger What? Hell no. I'm advocating for a healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle. "Eat food, mostly plants, not too much", and cut out those simple sugars and processed foods. Simple as that. No fads, just a basic long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. And without the risks associated with ketogenic diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.48504.x/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005.... https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in-association-with-the-ketogenic-diet-WK63iPSt2S https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1059131112003032 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111...
        keymone 9y ago
        i have to keep repeating this: so what about that overeating protein? and what about your ketoacidosis fud? will you concede you were wrong? > healthy, balanced diet as part of a healthy, balanced lifestyle there can be more than one healthy and balanced diet > long term lifestyle change that works, without buzzwords, without fancy diets, without expensive books or courses or gurus. yep, keto can be like this. no buzzwords, gurus, courses or books, just basic scientific facts about body metabolism. > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11575609 9-yo girl with seizure disorder and ketogenic diet prescription since infancy. single case in 70 years of such treatment. > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2005..... retrospective study of epilepsy patients treated with the KD during 1995 through 2003 at the Korean multicenters Conclusions: The KD is a safe and effective alternative therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Korea, although the customary diet contains substantially less fat than traditional Western diets, but life-threatening complications should be monitored closely during follow-up. > https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.. https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/sudden-cardiac-death-in.... more reports about complications in patients treated from seizures. > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S105913111.... evaluate the efficacy and safety of the ketogenic diet (KD) treatment of refractory childhood epilepsy Conclusions The KD is a safe and efficacious therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Chinese children. The influence of age on efficacy is worth further investigation. do you spot the similarities? all those are reports about patients with epilepsy/seizures. some had complications. for most KD was effective in reducing seizures. making any implications from that data about effects on healthy individuals is ridiculous FUD.