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Republican presidential candidate wins for the first time since 1988 in critical swing state. Time to redraw the districts! Gerrymandering indeed. https://en.

by danjoc 9y ago

Republican presidential candidate wins for the first time since 1988 in critical swing state. Time to redraw the districts! Gerrymandering indeed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Pennsylvania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Pennsylvania

dragonwriter 9y ago
Other than Maine and Nebraska, congressional districting is irrelevant to the Presidential election, and even in those states, its irrelevant to determining the statewide winner, though it can control whether the loser gets one out of four (in Maine) or up to two out of five (in Nebraska) electoral votes as a consolation prize.
shaki-dora 9y ago
- Gerrymandering (and this lawsuit) have nothing to do with presidential elections: A state's Electoral College delegation is the result of a state-wide vote[0], and the number is based on the Census. - You've completely ignored the in-depth reporting of the article. Just consider the headline numbers: In the 2016 House election, Democratic candidates got 52% of the vote in PA, but only 5 of 18 seats (28%). [0]: Only exception: Nebraska (edit: and Maine, see below (thx!))
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > [0]: Only exception: Nebraska Nebraska and Maine both give two EVs to the statewide winner and one EV to the winner of each Congressional district.
- labster 9y ago
  Many more exceptions are forthcoming, thanks to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact[1]. If enough states agree, these states will cast all of their electoral college votes to the winner of the national popular vote. [1]: https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > Many more exceptions are forthcoming, thanks to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact[1]. Maybe, though there is substantial reason to doubt that will meet the require threshold for activation. Still, those would make even per-state votes irrelevant, not make Congressional districts relevant.
  - jakeogh 9y ago
    Bad idea. How quickly we forget that party in Boston.
spdustin 9y ago
The issue at hand has nothing to do with the Presidential election, but rather Congressional representation. Even the new map would (likely) not have influenced the Presidential election in any meaningful way, but it would have impacted Pennsylvanians' ability to have their interests represented fairly in their state legislature and in Congress.

by danjoc 9y ago

dragonwriter 9y ago

Other than Maine and Nebraska, congressional districting is irrelevant to the Presidential election, and even in those states, its irrelevant to determining the statewide winner, though it can control whether the loser gets one out of four (in Maine) or up to two out of five (in Nebraska) electoral votes as a consolation prize.

shaki-dora 9y ago

- Gerrymandering (and this lawsuit) have nothing to do with presidential elections: A state's Electoral College delegation is the result of a state-wide vote[0], and the number is based on the Census. - You've completely ignored the in-depth reporting of the article. Just consider the headline numbers: In the 2016 House election, Democratic candidates got 52% of the vote in PA, but only 5 of 18 seats (28%). [0]: Only exception: Nebraska (edit: and Maine, see below (thx!))

dragonwriter 9y ago
> [0]: Only exception: Nebraska Nebraska and Maine both give two EVs to the statewide winner and one EV to the winner of each Congressional district.
labster 9y ago
Many more exceptions are forthcoming, thanks to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact[1]. If enough states agree, these states will cast all of their electoral college votes to the winner of the national popular vote. [1]: https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Many more exceptions are forthcoming, thanks to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact[1]. Maybe, though there is substantial reason to doubt that will meet the require threshold for activation. Still, those would make even per-state votes irrelevant, not make Congressional districts relevant.
- jakeogh 9y ago
  Bad idea. How quickly we forget that party in Boston.

spdustin 9y ago

The issue at hand has nothing to do with the Presidential election, but rather Congressional representation. Even the new map would (likely) not have influenced the Presidential election in any meaningful way, but it would have impacted Pennsylvanians' ability to have their interests represented fairly in their state legislature and in Congress.