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Another european here: Everytime i've heard any american talk about country clubs they were utterly awful places full of awful and ignorant people role-playing

Another european here: Everytime i've heard any american talk about country clubs they were utterly awful places full of awful and ignorant people role-playing what they believe to be high status life in a very boring manner. Why did your family care about not getting in there?

stcredzero 9y ago
Everytime i've heard any american talk about country clubs they were utterly awful places full of awful and ignorant people role-playing what they believe to be high status life in a very boring manner. Thanks for trading in stereotypes and rendering judgements on that basis. My sister and I went there to use the pool in the summertime, and though he went for decades being the doctor who works so much, he never played golf, my father very much got into golf in his 60's. He even eventually became awarded as the most improved and developed a circle of good friends there. At one point, he did some social justice activism and shamed his friends for saying bigoted things, and at that point he was respected enough that they listened to him. I think a bit of golf was well deserved by my father, as an immigrant who worked hard to accomplish the American Dream, and as a man who was once a child who lived through both the horrors of war and the horrors of foreign occupation. As for why it's important to gain access to the places of high status: This is something which is regarded as important across many Asian cultures. Just who are you, precisely, to judge my culture? Also, stopping the exclusion of people from clubs on the basis of ethnicity was a result of Social Justice in decades past. Look up accounts of Jewish people being excluded from "restricted" clubs. This is also the present pursuit of social justice: gaining entrance for qualified people who were otherwise excluded on the basis of irrelevant immutable characteristics. So long as there is equality of opportunity on the basis of merit, this is a worthy goal.
- Mithaldu 9y ago
  > Thanks for trading in stereotypes and rendering judgements on that basis. I can understand why you'd feel that way, but uh, next time keep that stuff for when the person you're responding to isn't asking, but only making claims. I gave you the views i had been given (and it's not like i can go personally to verify) so you'd have something to contrast on while answering my question, instead of having nothing. And, thanks for the details. They are educational.
  - stcredzero 9y ago
    Whether the 1st sentence of your 1st paragraph and your 2nd paragraph are sincere could only be judged by your further thoughts and communications based on the "details" you just received. That is for you to know for yourself.

stcredzero 9y ago

Everytime i've heard any american talk about country clubs they were utterly awful places full of awful and ignorant people role-playing what they believe to be high status life in a very boring manner. Thanks for trading in stereotypes and rendering judgements on that basis. My sister and I went there to use the pool in the summertime, and though he went for decades being the doctor who works so much, he never played golf, my father very much got into golf in his 60's. He even eventually became awarded as the most improved and developed a circle of good friends there. At one point, he did some social justice activism and shamed his friends for saying bigoted things, and at that point he was respected enough that they listened to him. I think a bit of golf was well deserved by my father, as an immigrant who worked hard to accomplish the American Dream, and as a man who was once a child who lived through both the horrors of war and the horrors of foreign occupation. As for why it's important to gain access to the places of high status: This is something which is regarded as important across many Asian cultures. Just who are you, precisely, to judge my culture? Also, stopping the exclusion of people from clubs on the basis of ethnicity was a result of Social Justice in decades past. Look up accounts of Jewish people being excluded from "restricted" clubs. This is also the present pursuit of social justice: gaining entrance for qualified people who were otherwise excluded on the basis of irrelevant immutable characteristics. So long as there is equality of opportunity on the basis of merit, this is a worthy goal.

Mithaldu 9y ago
> Thanks for trading in stereotypes and rendering judgements on that basis. I can understand why you'd feel that way, but uh, next time keep that stuff for when the person you're responding to isn't asking, but only making claims. I gave you the views i had been given (and it's not like i can go personally to verify) so you'd have something to contrast on while answering my question, instead of having nothing. And, thanks for the details. They are educational.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  Whether the 1st sentence of your 1st paragraph and your 2nd paragraph are sincere could only be judged by your further thoughts and communications based on the "details" you just received. That is for you to know for yourself.