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Interior decoration is a somewhat strange criterion to apply in the choice between contemporary technology and dinosaur ditto.

blattimwind 9y ago
You're looking at gaps and clearances not necessarily because you don't want your car to continually insult your eyes, but rather to gauge the manufacturers ability to build things. If a car manufacturer can't get something as simple(1) as the clearance of doors right, how in the world would you trust them to get any of the more critical aspects right?! (1) Actually a hugely refined and seriously complex process involving dozens of companies which have been doing this for decades, at least for the German ones.
- erikpukinskis 9y ago
  > If a car manufacturer can't get something as simple(1) as the clearance of doors right, how in the world would you trust them to get any of the more critical aspects right?! I can imagine lots of cars: One where the insides are junk, but they put all their effort into making the surface of the interior perfect One where the interior is total crap, but they obsessed over the drivetrain until everything purred like a kitten One where the whole thing is junk One where every detail was obsessed over. ... which of these categories are you saying doesn't exist? Both of the first two?
FireBeyond 9y ago
When you consider that the primary difference is ICE vs Electric, that's about where your "dinosaur" analogy ends. All of those vehicles have similar technology to the Tesla, if not more: road sign comprehension, active steering, driving assistance (autonomy), side collision avoidance, auto parking, online maps. And when your market segmentation is "high end", "luxury" as it is here, why _wouldn't_ interior decoration, quality and features be considered?
threeseed 9y ago
100% of the time spend driving is inside the car. Hence it is very important that manufacturers focus on the in car experience more so than exterior. And in this respect Tesla is pathetic. There really isn't a better word to describe how Tesla can offer cheap-Korean interior quality at the prices they do.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  Is it possible that Tesla buyers aren't as concerned with the interior as you are?
  - FireBeyond 9y ago
    No-one's saying they have to be. Just that you can't really claim with a straight face "Oh, it competes with German luxury flagships and wins... if you aren't concerned with interiors" (or ignore that most of the tech is similar, and really that the singular difference in many respects is the lack of ICE).
    - greglindahl 9y ago
      I can't really claim that I like what I like? I'm not supposed to disagree with your opinion that "the singular difference in many respects is the lack of ICE"? I mean, I've always been aware that many people don't like Tesla's interiors, and don't place much value in the things that Tesla owners place value in. Heck, I'm sure a majority of people don't agree with my opinions. But I wasn't aware until now that my opinion was invalid.
      - FireBeyond 9y ago
        Your opinion isn't invalid. But what are some of these other differences that make Tesla "contemporary" and 7 series, S class, A8Ls "dinosaurs"?
        greglindahl 9y ago
interfixus 9y ago
Thanks for all the downvotes; I seem to have hit a raw nerve here. Opinions and value systems obviously differ. I've been a professional driver on and off for years and years, and I honestly couldn't care less about the finish of the dashboard, as long as it performs whatever it's supposed to perform. My personal only reason, apart from the money, which I haven't got, for not wanting a Tesla (or any other modern high-end car, really) would be all the idiotic phoning home stuff. The electric versus dead dinasaur question is settled beyond dispute. Combustion is twentieth century, period.
- freehunter 9y ago
  What you're saying is you would take any electric car, no matter how poorly built, no matter how expensive, over a cheaper, higher quality gasoline-powered car. And not only that, but you'd take that expensive and poorly-built electric car over cheaper electric cars with similar build quality just because of a brand name. Yes. Yes that is a controversial opinion, especially when combined with the phrasing you continue to choose. And the fact that you're this hostile but then admit you don't own one and can't afford to own one, yet you look down your nose at anyone who doesn't own one.
  - interfixus 9y ago
    No idea whose nose I'm supposed to be looking down. I simple consider combustion engines outdated technology. I'm leaving it behind whenever electric begins to match my finansial range. As for the supposed hostility, I'll let other judge between you and me.

blattimwind 9y ago

You're looking at gaps and clearances not necessarily because you don't want your car to continually insult your eyes, but rather to gauge the manufacturers ability to build things. If a car manufacturer can't get something as simple(1) as the clearance of doors right, how in the world would you trust them to get any of the more critical aspects right?! (1) Actually a hugely refined and seriously complex process involving dozens of companies which have been doing this for decades, at least for the German ones.

erikpukinskis 9y ago
> If a car manufacturer can't get something as simple(1) as the clearance of doors right, how in the world would you trust them to get any of the more critical aspects right?! I can imagine lots of cars: One where the insides are junk, but they put all their effort into making the surface of the interior perfect One where the interior is total crap, but they obsessed over the drivetrain until everything purred like a kitten One where the whole thing is junk One where every detail was obsessed over. ... which of these categories are you saying doesn't exist? Both of the first two?

FireBeyond 9y ago

When you consider that the primary difference is ICE vs Electric, that's about where your "dinosaur" analogy ends. All of those vehicles have similar technology to the Tesla, if not more: road sign comprehension, active steering, driving assistance (autonomy), side collision avoidance, auto parking, online maps. And when your market segmentation is "high end", "luxury" as it is here, why _wouldn't_ interior decoration, quality and features be considered?

threeseed 9y ago

100% of the time spend driving is inside the car. Hence it is very important that manufacturers focus on the in car experience more so than exterior. And in this respect Tesla is pathetic. There really isn't a better word to describe how Tesla can offer cheap-Korean interior quality at the prices they do.

greglindahl 9y ago
Is it possible that Tesla buyers aren't as concerned with the interior as you are?
- FireBeyond 9y ago
  No-one's saying they have to be. Just that you can't really claim with a straight face "Oh, it competes with German luxury flagships and wins... if you aren't concerned with interiors" (or ignore that most of the tech is similar, and really that the singular difference in many respects is the lack of ICE).
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    I can't really claim that I like what I like? I'm not supposed to disagree with your opinion that "the singular difference in many respects is the lack of ICE"? I mean, I've always been aware that many people don't like Tesla's interiors, and don't place much value in the things that Tesla owners place value in. Heck, I'm sure a majority of people don't agree with my opinions. But I wasn't aware until now that my opinion was invalid.
    - FireBeyond 9y ago
      Your opinion isn't invalid. But what are some of these other differences that make Tesla "contemporary" and 7 series, S class, A8Ls "dinosaurs"?
      - greglindahl 9y ago

interfixus 9y ago

Thanks for all the downvotes; I seem to have hit a raw nerve here. Opinions and value systems obviously differ. I've been a professional driver on and off for years and years, and I honestly couldn't care less about the finish of the dashboard, as long as it performs whatever it's supposed to perform. My personal only reason, apart from the money, which I haven't got, for not wanting a Tesla (or any other modern high-end car, really) would be all the idiotic phoning home stuff. The electric versus dead dinasaur question is settled beyond dispute. Combustion is twentieth century, period.

freehunter 9y ago
What you're saying is you would take any electric car, no matter how poorly built, no matter how expensive, over a cheaper, higher quality gasoline-powered car. And not only that, but you'd take that expensive and poorly-built electric car over cheaper electric cars with similar build quality just because of a brand name. Yes. Yes that is a controversial opinion, especially when combined with the phrasing you continue to choose. And the fact that you're this hostile but then admit you don't own one and can't afford to own one, yet you look down your nose at anyone who doesn't own one.
- interfixus 9y ago
  No idea whose nose I'm supposed to be looking down. I simple consider combustion engines outdated technology. I'm leaving it behind whenever electric begins to match my finansial range. As for the supposed hostility, I'll let other judge between you and me.