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I was wondering if the slippery-slope argument really held. There's a fairly simply public-interest argument that could be made against gun ownership (see: dead

by gtf21 9y ago

I was wondering if the slippery-slope argument really held. There's a fairly simply public-interest argument that could be made against gun ownership (see: dead schoolchildren all over the US), and this argument has been successful in many other countries (UK and Australia have both made firearms illegal in most circumstances). I don't think you can make the public-interest case against abortion: a very small number of people would argue that mass shootings are a good thing, but it is not clear that a large proportion of people (in the UK at least, the US is a bit of a mystery to me) would argue that the act of abortion does any damage (or at least, nothing like killing someone).

AnimalMuppet 9y ago
There are a large number of people in the US who argue that abortion is exactly killing someone.
- gtf21 9y ago
  This is true, but I think there are two factors which qualify this argument: 1) leverage / scale (a person with a gun can kill more people in a shorter space of time) 2) it is contended whether or not this is killing someone, whereas noone (probably, almost) contends whether a school shooting is killing anyone Even with large numbers of people thinking abortion is murder, this is overwhelmed by the number of people thinking that shooting someone is murder. Since murder is considered (probably) by a similarly large majority, and a gun can create more murder than an abortion, you could make a far stronger public interest case for CC companies to apply pressure to one rather than the other.
  - CompanionCubee 9y ago
    There are 664,435 reported abortions in 2013, compared to about 33760 firearms homicides. There is a scale difference but not in the direction you anticipated.
    - gtf21 9y ago
      While that's surprising, that doesn't quite contradict my point: a firearm has greater leverage. The main point is that while almost everyone will agree that murder of humans is undesirable, not everyone will agree that abortion is murder (_even_ in the United States), which means that it is not categorically clear that the outcome of abortion is a negative one, while it is clear that the outcome of a shooting is a negative one, and therefore there is a stronger public interest case in applying commercial pressure to sales.

by gtf21 9y ago

AnimalMuppet 9y ago

There are a large number of people in the US who argue that abortion is exactly killing someone.

gtf21 9y ago
This is true, but I think there are two factors which qualify this argument: 1) leverage / scale (a person with a gun can kill more people in a shorter space of time) 2) it is contended whether or not this is killing someone, whereas noone (probably, almost) contends whether a school shooting is killing anyone Even with large numbers of people thinking abortion is murder, this is overwhelmed by the number of people thinking that shooting someone is murder. Since murder is considered (probably) by a similarly large majority, and a gun can create more murder than an abortion, you could make a far stronger public interest case for CC companies to apply pressure to one rather than the other.
- CompanionCubee 9y ago
  There are 664,435 reported abortions in 2013, compared to about 33760 firearms homicides. There is a scale difference but not in the direction you anticipated.
  - gtf21 9y ago
    While that's surprising, that doesn't quite contradict my point: a firearm has greater leverage. The main point is that while almost everyone will agree that murder of humans is undesirable, not everyone will agree that abortion is murder (_even_ in the United States), which means that it is not categorically clear that the outcome of abortion is a negative one, while it is clear that the outcome of a shooting is a negative one, and therefore there is a stronger public interest case in applying commercial pressure to sales.