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Sure are. The real crux of the issue for me is the wild lack of quality control. I'm broadly in favor of the FDA and other regulatory agencies, if for no oth

Sure are. The real crux of the issue for me is the wild lack of quality control. I'm broadly in favor of the FDA and other regulatory agencies, if for no other reason than they have the power to require that you're really selling what you claim you are, and enormous power to punish you if you don't. That this is not the case for supplements is largely the fault of Orrin Hatch.

ensignavenger 9y ago
Are supplements generally exempt from fraud laws?
- hprotagonist 9y ago
  https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/new-york-attorney-general-targets-supplements-at-major-retailers/ https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/new-york-attorney-... no. But for makers of actual pharmaceuticals, etc., the FDA can appear at your plant and they have the legal authority to close the site and halt manufacture until they're done auditing you. That particular power is not granted to them for supplement makers. I think it ought to be.
  - madeuptempacct 9y ago
    Whatever Hiro.
  - ensignavenger 9y ago
    Perhaps, but that does seem disruptive to business. There probably needs to be better anti-fraud enforcement, but maybe there is a way to do it without shutting down facilities just to conduct an audit. Woudn't testing product samples to ensure that they are what they claim to ve (and nothing else) be enough?
    - hprotagonist 9y ago
      >Perhaps, but that does seem disruptive to business. It's sure supposed to be! > Woudn't testing product samples to ensure that they are what they claim to ve (and nothing else) be enough? Experience has shown otherwise. Though random product QA testing is absolutely the first and normal line of defense, you need the fist, too. Actual plant shutdowns are rare, very costly, and normally get people's attention.
driverdan 9y ago
> The real crux of the issue for me is the wild lack of quality control. The bigger issue is that most do nothing and are actively promoted as doing things they don't do.
- hprotagonist 9y ago
  That's number two. The FDA's mandates are safety and efficacy, in that order. It's still bad, but I'm way more OK with people taking sham pills that contain exactly binder and nothing else, instead of taking sham pills that contain lead and mold.
dreammakr 9y ago
Labdoor is a good site to double-check quality control of supplements you may be interested in - https://labdoor.com/ https://labdoor.com/

ensignavenger 9y ago

Are supplements generally exempt from fraud laws?

hprotagonist 9y ago
https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/new-york-attorney-general-targets-supplements-at-major-retailers/ https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/new-york-attorney-... no. But for makers of actual pharmaceuticals, etc., the FDA can appear at your plant and they have the legal authority to close the site and halt manufacture until they're done auditing you. That particular power is not granted to them for supplement makers. I think it ought to be.
- madeuptempacct 9y ago
  Whatever Hiro.
- ensignavenger 9y ago
  Perhaps, but that does seem disruptive to business. There probably needs to be better anti-fraud enforcement, but maybe there is a way to do it without shutting down facilities just to conduct an audit. Woudn't testing product samples to ensure that they are what they claim to ve (and nothing else) be enough?
  - hprotagonist 9y ago
    >Perhaps, but that does seem disruptive to business. It's sure supposed to be! > Woudn't testing product samples to ensure that they are what they claim to ve (and nothing else) be enough? Experience has shown otherwise. Though random product QA testing is absolutely the first and normal line of defense, you need the fist, too. Actual plant shutdowns are rare, very costly, and normally get people's attention.

driverdan 9y ago

> The real crux of the issue for me is the wild lack of quality control. The bigger issue is that most do nothing and are actively promoted as doing things they don't do.

hprotagonist 9y ago
That's number two. The FDA's mandates are safety and efficacy, in that order. It's still bad, but I'm way more OK with people taking sham pills that contain exactly binder and nothing else, instead of taking sham pills that contain lead and mold.

dreammakr 9y ago

Labdoor is a good site to double-check quality control of supplements you may be interested in - https://labdoor.com/ https://labdoor.com/