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"The RedLock CSI team immediately reported the incident to Tesla and the issue was quickly rectified." That's the most you can ask for beyond basic competence.

"The RedLock CSI team immediately reported the incident to Tesla and the issue was quickly rectified." That's the most you can ask for beyond basic competence. There will always be security bugs in software to some extent, the fact that Tesla responded quickly gives me more confidence in them. But I agree with your overall point, at some point some hacker is going to kill people with a hacked car (probably not a Tesla), and it's going to take lots of dead bodies and legislation for congress to pass appropriate standards for security. Hopefully we'll reach a point where computer security in cars is regulated the same as seat belts and air bags.

Consultant32452 9y ago
Once the state actors have hacked the AI drivers/cameras they will be able to track and kill just about anyone anywhere with them.
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- tdb7893 9y ago
  It'll actually probably be hard to do it unnoticed. My guess is that self driving accidents will be heavily scrutinized to try to figure out why it happened. Also the government already can kill pretty much anyone at any time with various means
  - jrs95 9y ago
    But once it’s at scale, it will either be common enough or it could be made to be common enough that there’s a news story about it every other week. At that point, it’s not too difficult to kill specific people in accidents without raising suspicion. This is assuming some amount of cooperation amongst these corporations and state actors, though. And tbh you could probably make much better covert domestic assassination drones. No explosions, no noise, just a poison or something. Maybe even just carbon monoxide.
- 21 9y ago
  News flash: state actors can already track and kill anyone they want
  - mtgx 9y ago
    State actors can't yet kill anyone in any other country from the comfort of their chairs. This is the same argument people make when they say "drone strikes are the same as air strikes". Not they are not. We're seeing orders of magnitude more drone strikes than air strikes, and that's because they are different (such as much cheaper and easier to do than ever before).
    - 21 9y ago
      > State actors can't yet kill anyone in any other country from the comfort of their chairs. This is what the CIA/Mossad/FSB/... does Sure, cars will make it cheaper and more convenient, and will open up the "market" to smaller states, but it's not a new capability.
      - tyfon 9y ago
        Sometimes they do, but sometimes they get caught like in this instance. Doing it by car would probably be preferable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair
      - mamon 9y ago
        They try it, but the results are usually pathetic. Think of all those CIA's attempts to kill Fidel Castro...
  - IntronExon 9y ago
    Sure, but can they reliably make it look like an accident, over and over and over?
  - jrs95 9y ago
    Not remotely, with ease, and with a built in story as to how the person died. Perhaps in more oppressive environments it wouldn’t matter, but being able to cause car accidents at will would substantially expand the ability of the U.S. government to carry out assassinations without raising suspicion. Even if someone were to notice, and point out a string of 20 people killed in strange and unlikely car accidents that shouldn’t have happened, nobody would believe them anyways. It would be treated like any other conspiracy theory. At the same time, I’m pretty sure they could come up with much better ways of killing people than this. Technology makes really dystopian shit a lot easier.
mtgx 9y ago
No, that's not the "most" they can do. Not even close. This is about the minimum they should do with self-driving cars, yet it's still about an order of magnitude more than their "most they can do" right now: http://ideas.4brad.com/disconnected-car-right-security-plan-robocars http://ideas.4brad.com/disconnected-car-right-security-plan-... Tesla cars' "features" such as remote control, accessing any car from its servers, over-the-air updates, and more features like that will have a direct impact in helping attackers take over Teslas' cars. How they design the security architecture of their self-driving cars now will determine whether or not Tesla's cars will be the "Windows XP" of the 2020s. I think it's way better to criticize/give them feedback on this now, while the architecture is still being developed, than after the potential Windows XP is already "finished" and live on 50 million cars. And yes, that goes for every other carmaker, too, not just Tesla. Plus, I don't know about you, but a TV ad saying "Tesla - the only self-driving car that hackers can't drive off the highway" sounds like it would be quite effective to me.

Consultant32452 9y ago

Once the state actors have hacked the AI drivers/cameras they will be able to track and kill just about anyone anywhere with them.

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tdb7893 9y ago
It'll actually probably be hard to do it unnoticed. My guess is that self driving accidents will be heavily scrutinized to try to figure out why it happened. Also the government already can kill pretty much anyone at any time with various means
- jrs95 9y ago
  But once it’s at scale, it will either be common enough or it could be made to be common enough that there’s a news story about it every other week. At that point, it’s not too difficult to kill specific people in accidents without raising suspicion. This is assuming some amount of cooperation amongst these corporations and state actors, though. And tbh you could probably make much better covert domestic assassination drones. No explosions, no noise, just a poison or something. Maybe even just carbon monoxide.
21 9y ago
News flash: state actors can already track and kill anyone they want
- mtgx 9y ago
  State actors can't yet kill anyone in any other country from the comfort of their chairs. This is the same argument people make when they say "drone strikes are the same as air strikes". Not they are not. We're seeing orders of magnitude more drone strikes than air strikes, and that's because they are different (such as much cheaper and easier to do than ever before).
  - 21 9y ago
    > State actors can't yet kill anyone in any other country from the comfort of their chairs. This is what the CIA/Mossad/FSB/... does Sure, cars will make it cheaper and more convenient, and will open up the "market" to smaller states, but it's not a new capability.
    - tyfon 9y ago
      Sometimes they do, but sometimes they get caught like in this instance. Doing it by car would probably be preferable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair
    - mamon 9y ago
      They try it, but the results are usually pathetic. Think of all those CIA's attempts to kill Fidel Castro...
- IntronExon 9y ago
  Sure, but can they reliably make it look like an accident, over and over and over?
- jrs95 9y ago
  Not remotely, with ease, and with a built in story as to how the person died. Perhaps in more oppressive environments it wouldn’t matter, but being able to cause car accidents at will would substantially expand the ability of the U.S. government to carry out assassinations without raising suspicion. Even if someone were to notice, and point out a string of 20 people killed in strange and unlikely car accidents that shouldn’t have happened, nobody would believe them anyways. It would be treated like any other conspiracy theory. At the same time, I’m pretty sure they could come up with much better ways of killing people than this. Technology makes really dystopian shit a lot easier.

mtgx 9y ago

No, that's not the "most" they can do. Not even close. This is about the minimum they should do with self-driving cars, yet it's still about an order of magnitude more than their "most they can do" right now: http://ideas.4brad.com/disconnected-car-right-security-plan-robocars http://ideas.4brad.com/disconnected-car-right-security-plan-... Tesla cars' "features" such as remote control, accessing any car from its servers, over-the-air updates, and more features like that will have a direct impact in helping attackers take over Teslas' cars. How they design the security architecture of their self-driving cars now will determine whether or not Tesla's cars will be the "Windows XP" of the 2020s. I think it's way better to criticize/give them feedback on this now, while the architecture is still being developed, than after the potential Windows XP is already "finished" and live on 50 million cars. And yes, that goes for every other carmaker, too, not just Tesla. Plus, I don't know about you, but a TV ad saying "Tesla - the only self-driving car that hackers can't drive off the highway" sounds like it would be quite effective to me.