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> you're completely ignoring the fiber how come? 33% is net carbs, which is carbs minus fiber. i'm not advocating for paleo or keto here. just saying that peo

> you're completely ignoring the fiber how come? 33% is net carbs, which is carbs minus fiber. i'm not advocating for paleo or keto here. just saying that people overeat simple sugars and often don't know the source. i also don't agree keto/paleo is unhealthy. gotta provide sources for claims like that.

KozmoNau7 9y ago
Bread provides additional quality nutrition, compared to straight sugar. That's my point. Not every foodstuff needs to be nutritionally complete and macro nutrient balanced. The keto diet is widely acknowledged to be a bad choice. Here's just one summary: https://www.thedailymeal.com/healthy-eating/keto-ranked-worst-diet-health-experts/010418 https://www.thedailymeal.com/healthy-eating/keto-ranked-wors... Keto diets are useful as medical tools, but they absolutely should not be used generally by otherwise healthy people.
- orbifold 9y ago
  This is a bullshit link if I ever saw one... I mean of course the Department of Agriculture will recommend a high carb diet, given that they are mostly concerned for an agricultural sector that produces corn and other grains en masse...
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    The Department of Agriculture reference is only in there for context, they didn't conduct the survey. Your conspiracy theories are showing.
- keymone 9y ago
  > keto diet is widely acknowledged to be a bad choice "Keto Is Ranked the Worst Diet by Health Experts" are those the same "experts" that have been recommending people to reduce their fat intake for the last 4 decades, effectively increasing sugar consumption and being responbsible for literally millions of dead people around the world? sorry if i won't take you seriously anymore.
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    These are the experts on the panel: https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/experts https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/experts The overall consensus used to be that fat was bad, but science has advanced and our view on the subject is a lot more nuanced than "fat bad". Clinical dieticians and other experts have updated their recommendations accordingly. That's how science works, we continually improve our collective knowledge. Going completely off the rails and jumping on fad diets instead is not a wise choice. The current recommendation of a diet heavy in plants, low in saturated fat, moderate in carbs (complex carbs, ditch the simple ones) is perfectly sound, a good average diet for the average person.
    - keymone 9y ago
      > Going completely off the rails and jumping on fad diets instead is not a wise choice it seems your opinion on how to tell which diet is fad is based not on research but on a quick google search. inform yourself on the topic, then we can argue. > The current recommendation of a diet heavy in plants, low in saturated fat, moderate in carbs (complex carbs, ditch the simple ones) is perfectly sound, a good average diet for the average person except none of what you said makes the keto diet bad. i can grant you that it's not recommended for average person mainly because it requires a lot of knowledge and discipline to be following properly, but the rest is bs.
      - KozmoNau7 9y ago
        Keto is definitely a fad diet, same as Atkins, paleo and a ton of others. I'm deep in the crossfit world, and I definitely did look at keto and paleo, before an actual dietician talked some sense into me. Ketosis is a medical condition that is potentially harmful and even deadly in some cases. You absolutely should not go into ketosis without qualified medical assistance.
        keymone 9y ago
        > Ketosis is a medical condition that is potentially harmful and even deadly in some cases it is not compatible with certain diseases or other medical conditions, but blanket statement like that is bullshit.
- gerardnll 9y ago
  White bread is nutritionally poor
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    >White bread is nutritionally poor Yes, absolutely. No one is arguing against that. But it's still less bad than straight sugar. I live near an amazing bakery that does good sourdough bread with plenty of seeds, and I bake my own sourdough whole grain breads. The proximity of a good bakery and stores where I can buy good flour will seriously affect where I will even consider buying a house next time.
    - gerardnll 9y ago
      I buy meat, fish, vegetables, fruits and I have a nice diet without counting calories or other nutrients. I avoid ultra-processed foods, I may have a few of them on weekends. I've had 2 blood analysis, one at the beginning of my new diet (and lifestyle) and the other one 6 months later. All perfect. I just eat carbs for lunch and that's because I'm looking to lose weight. If I wouldn't want to lose weight I would just look at how reasonable are the quantities I eat. There's no need to be maniac at what you eat if what you eat is healthy and natural. It seems like the food industry has made us forget how to eat properly, and that's normal because they influence us since we are kids (even babies).
      - KozmoNau7 9y ago
        "Lifestyle" is the key here. Diets are temporary, a lifestyle change is what most people need.
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KozmoNau7 9y ago

Bread provides additional quality nutrition, compared to straight sugar. That's my point. Not every foodstuff needs to be nutritionally complete and macro nutrient balanced. The keto diet is widely acknowledged to be a bad choice. Here's just one summary: https://www.thedailymeal.com/healthy-eating/keto-ranked-worst-diet-health-experts/010418 https://www.thedailymeal.com/healthy-eating/keto-ranked-wors... Keto diets are useful as medical tools, but they absolutely should not be used generally by otherwise healthy people.

orbifold 9y ago
This is a bullshit link if I ever saw one... I mean of course the Department of Agriculture will recommend a high carb diet, given that they are mostly concerned for an agricultural sector that produces corn and other grains en masse...
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  The Department of Agriculture reference is only in there for context, they didn't conduct the survey. Your conspiracy theories are showing.
keymone 9y ago
> keto diet is widely acknowledged to be a bad choice "Keto Is Ranked the Worst Diet by Health Experts" are those the same "experts" that have been recommending people to reduce their fat intake for the last 4 decades, effectively increasing sugar consumption and being responbsible for literally millions of dead people around the world? sorry if i won't take you seriously anymore.
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  These are the experts on the panel: https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/experts https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/experts The overall consensus used to be that fat was bad, but science has advanced and our view on the subject is a lot more nuanced than "fat bad". Clinical dieticians and other experts have updated their recommendations accordingly. That's how science works, we continually improve our collective knowledge. Going completely off the rails and jumping on fad diets instead is not a wise choice. The current recommendation of a diet heavy in plants, low in saturated fat, moderate in carbs (complex carbs, ditch the simple ones) is perfectly sound, a good average diet for the average person.
  - keymone 9y ago
    > Going completely off the rails and jumping on fad diets instead is not a wise choice it seems your opinion on how to tell which diet is fad is based not on research but on a quick google search. inform yourself on the topic, then we can argue. > The current recommendation of a diet heavy in plants, low in saturated fat, moderate in carbs (complex carbs, ditch the simple ones) is perfectly sound, a good average diet for the average person except none of what you said makes the keto diet bad. i can grant you that it's not recommended for average person mainly because it requires a lot of knowledge and discipline to be following properly, but the rest is bs.
    - KozmoNau7 9y ago
      Keto is definitely a fad diet, same as Atkins, paleo and a ton of others. I'm deep in the crossfit world, and I definitely did look at keto and paleo, before an actual dietician talked some sense into me. Ketosis is a medical condition that is potentially harmful and even deadly in some cases. You absolutely should not go into ketosis without qualified medical assistance.
      - keymone 9y ago
        > Ketosis is a medical condition that is potentially harmful and even deadly in some cases it is not compatible with certain diseases or other medical conditions, but blanket statement like that is bullshit.
gerardnll 9y ago
White bread is nutritionally poor
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  >White bread is nutritionally poor Yes, absolutely. No one is arguing against that. But it's still less bad than straight sugar. I live near an amazing bakery that does good sourdough bread with plenty of seeds, and I bake my own sourdough whole grain breads. The proximity of a good bakery and stores where I can buy good flour will seriously affect where I will even consider buying a house next time.
  - gerardnll 9y ago
    I buy meat, fish, vegetables, fruits and I have a nice diet without counting calories or other nutrients. I avoid ultra-processed foods, I may have a few of them on weekends. I've had 2 blood analysis, one at the beginning of my new diet (and lifestyle) and the other one 6 months later. All perfect. I just eat carbs for lunch and that's because I'm looking to lose weight. If I wouldn't want to lose weight I would just look at how reasonable are the quantities I eat. There's no need to be maniac at what you eat if what you eat is healthy and natural. It seems like the food industry has made us forget how to eat properly, and that's normal because they influence us since we are kids (even babies).
    - KozmoNau7 9y ago
      "Lifestyle" is the key here. Diets are temporary, a lifestyle change is what most people need.
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