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I don’t agree with you, but I am upvoting you because you are contributing meaningfully to the conversation with earnest discussion and a valid, if IMO incorrec

I don’t agree with you, but I am upvoting you because you are contributing meaningfully to the conversation with earnest discussion and a valid, if IMO incorrect, viewpoint. I am disheartened to see your post greying out.

gizmo686 9y ago
Sometimes people do not downvote individual comments, but rather a sequence of comments. More specifically, there might be behavior that is only apparent when looking at multiple comments that justifies the downvoting, even if the actual downvote happens to be applied to an individual comment. In this case, in the span of two comments, the poster went from: >Do people actually argue in favor of equality of outcomes? Can't say I've ever seen this done, but then again I haven't seen everything. to arguing in favor of equality of outcomes. Individually, both of these posts are fine; but together are problematic.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  Individually, both of these posts are fine; but together are problematic. So either this is a troll, or it's an example of someone so "ideologically possessed" they think they're justified to lie in pursuit of their goals.
  - asteli 9y ago
    I'm disappointed that you've marked me as someone with an ulterior motive. If I have a logical inconsistency, feel free to point that out without making assumptions about my intentions.
    - stcredzero 9y ago
      Okay, sorry, I left out the possibility that you're just mistaken. So you're mistaken. There, fixed it for people who actually read carefully.
      - sctb 9y ago
        We need you to dial back the thorniness, please. These tit-for-tats are unfortunately activating for the (very few) participants and noise for everyone else.
asteli 9y ago
Thanks! I appreciate that. I'm logic-ing as best I can, but I'm definitely not a sociologist. I had to read more about "equality of outcome" because I wasn't familiar with the concept. I concede though, that some methods of affirmative action would appear to be local attempts to enforce "equality of outcome," but I don't think this is the goal of affirmative action campaigns. If anything, it's a measure taken (locally) to create an environment that can support equal opportunity (locally). As society approaches having equality of opportunity, I imagine that this strategy would lose its utility and be discarded.

gizmo686 9y ago

Sometimes people do not downvote individual comments, but rather a sequence of comments. More specifically, there might be behavior that is only apparent when looking at multiple comments that justifies the downvoting, even if the actual downvote happens to be applied to an individual comment. In this case, in the span of two comments, the poster went from: >Do people actually argue in favor of equality of outcomes? Can't say I've ever seen this done, but then again I haven't seen everything. to arguing in favor of equality of outcomes. Individually, both of these posts are fine; but together are problematic.

stcredzero 9y ago
Individually, both of these posts are fine; but together are problematic. So either this is a troll, or it's an example of someone so "ideologically possessed" they think they're justified to lie in pursuit of their goals.
- asteli 9y ago
  I'm disappointed that you've marked me as someone with an ulterior motive. If I have a logical inconsistency, feel free to point that out without making assumptions about my intentions.
  - stcredzero 9y ago
    Okay, sorry, I left out the possibility that you're just mistaken. So you're mistaken. There, fixed it for people who actually read carefully.
    - sctb 9y ago
      We need you to dial back the thorniness, please. These tit-for-tats are unfortunately activating for the (very few) participants and noise for everyone else.

asteli 9y ago

Thanks! I appreciate that. I'm logic-ing as best I can, but I'm definitely not a sociologist. I had to read more about "equality of outcome" because I wasn't familiar with the concept. I concede though, that some methods of affirmative action would appear to be local attempts to enforce "equality of outcome," but I don't think this is the goal of affirmative action campaigns. If anything, it's a measure taken (locally) to create an environment that can support equal opportunity (locally). As society approaches having equality of opportunity, I imagine that this strategy would lose its utility and be discarded.