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A true believer in absolute freedom and the free market (a libertarian) wouldn't be against James Domore's firing. It was the free market at work. The article s

A true believer in absolute freedom and the free market (a libertarian) wouldn't be against James Domore's firing. It was the free market at work. The article says that libertarians and other conservatives are becoming oppressed, but the means of their oppression is something they support. They are being oppressed by the free market and by other people's free speech.

ThomPete 9y ago
It's not about absolute freedom or free market it's about free speech thats a very different thing. Your logic is opening up for the ability for anyone to discriminate other people alone for their opinions, that's a box I don't think benefit anyone.
- Miner49er 9y ago
  But libertarians and true believers of free speech support the right of people to discriminate with their speech. For example, from the article, "Anyone doing so would be met by a unified front of academics, journalists, and cultural figures expressing their moral outrage, wrapped up in sophisticated words and scientific-sounding terminology like xenophobia." A true Libertarian would support their right to do and say this. One can disagree with it, but it's them using their freedom of speech.
  - ThomPete 9y ago
    I don't know what you mean with "discriminate with their speech" what does that mean? The point of free speech is to get the ideas out in the open so we can debate them.
    - Miner49er 9y ago
      The article says that SJWs are labeling holder's of certain beliefs as "bad people". I'm saying that is them using their free speech.
      - ThomPete 9y ago
        They aren't just labeling them, they are bullying them. Calling them alt-right to NOT have to debate them. Using Hecklers Veto tactics. That's not using free speech that's refusing to engage different views.
        Miner49er 9y ago
        I'm saying isn't bullying and the Heckler's veto forms of free speech/the free market? As long as the government isn't involved in it?
        stcredzero 9y ago
        It's a free market of propagandistic image-mongering and name-calling. It's not a free market of ideas worthy of the name. As long as the government isn't involved in it? No, free speech also requires people follow the spirit of the law, not just the letter of it. What if the mafia went around a poor neighborhood and intimidated everyone to vote for their candidate, or else, and they lied so convincingly about being able to tell how everyone voted, basically everyone followed their instructions? Would this be "free speech/the free market?"
        Miner49er 9y ago
        Yeah that's a good point, although, that involves the threat of violence. What the article says SJWs do is threaten moral condemnation "and when someone does say something, they are met with a wave of sophisticated terminology backed by academic credentials that they have no way of parsing." Those both aren't violence, but I guess you can say the first one is bullying people into not speaking. However, I believe the only examples that the author provided of that was the firing of James Damore and the survey of Silicon Valley employees that showed conservatives are afraid to be themselves and reports in the survey that they are being purged from companies like Apple. I'd say that in a free market you can hire and fire anyone you like at your business. So the conservatives and libertarians that are supposedly being oppressed by SJWs are being suppressed by a system they support.
- abusoufiyan 9y ago
  Dude, no one violated his free speech. His memo is still available for anyone to read.
  - ThomPete 9y ago
    That's not the discussion.
abvdasker 9y ago
That's an interesting way of looking at it, and I think it gets to the heart of why companies have started to embrace the "Social Justice" Harris decries. If Silicon Valley and Hollywood have embraced liberal values it's almost certainly due to a profit motive. Younger people are overwhelmingly liberal, and both tech and cinema are industries which desperately need young people to thrive. Maybe shifting corporate values really do just boil down to market forces over advocacy at the end of the day.
- Miner49er 9y ago
  Yeah exactly. James Damore wasn't fired for his opinions, he was fired for the bad PR Google got from his opinions.

ThomPete 9y ago

It's not about absolute freedom or free market it's about free speech thats a very different thing. Your logic is opening up for the ability for anyone to discriminate other people alone for their opinions, that's a box I don't think benefit anyone.

Miner49er 9y ago
But libertarians and true believers of free speech support the right of people to discriminate with their speech. For example, from the article, "Anyone doing so would be met by a unified front of academics, journalists, and cultural figures expressing their moral outrage, wrapped up in sophisticated words and scientific-sounding terminology like xenophobia." A true Libertarian would support their right to do and say this. One can disagree with it, but it's them using their freedom of speech.
- ThomPete 9y ago
  I don't know what you mean with "discriminate with their speech" what does that mean? The point of free speech is to get the ideas out in the open so we can debate them.
  - Miner49er 9y ago
    The article says that SJWs are labeling holder's of certain beliefs as "bad people". I'm saying that is them using their free speech.
    - ThomPete 9y ago
      They aren't just labeling them, they are bullying them. Calling them alt-right to NOT have to debate them. Using Hecklers Veto tactics. That's not using free speech that's refusing to engage different views.
      - Miner49er 9y ago
        I'm saying isn't bullying and the Heckler's veto forms of free speech/the free market? As long as the government isn't involved in it?
        stcredzero 9y ago
        It's a free market of propagandistic image-mongering and name-calling. It's not a free market of ideas worthy of the name. As long as the government isn't involved in it? No, free speech also requires people follow the spirit of the law, not just the letter of it. What if the mafia went around a poor neighborhood and intimidated everyone to vote for their candidate, or else, and they lied so convincingly about being able to tell how everyone voted, basically everyone followed their instructions? Would this be "free speech/the free market?"
        Miner49er 9y ago
        Yeah that's a good point, although, that involves the threat of violence. What the article says SJWs do is threaten moral condemnation "and when someone does say something, they are met with a wave of sophisticated terminology backed by academic credentials that they have no way of parsing." Those both aren't violence, but I guess you can say the first one is bullying people into not speaking. However, I believe the only examples that the author provided of that was the firing of James Damore and the survey of Silicon Valley employees that showed conservatives are afraid to be themselves and reports in the survey that they are being purged from companies like Apple. I'd say that in a free market you can hire and fire anyone you like at your business. So the conservatives and libertarians that are supposedly being oppressed by SJWs are being suppressed by a system they support.
abusoufiyan 9y ago
Dude, no one violated his free speech. His memo is still available for anyone to read.
- ThomPete 9y ago
  That's not the discussion.

abvdasker 9y ago

That's an interesting way of looking at it, and I think it gets to the heart of why companies have started to embrace the "Social Justice" Harris decries. If Silicon Valley and Hollywood have embraced liberal values it's almost certainly due to a profit motive. Younger people are overwhelmingly liberal, and both tech and cinema are industries which desperately need young people to thrive. Maybe shifting corporate values really do just boil down to market forces over advocacy at the end of the day.

Miner49er 9y ago
Yeah exactly. James Damore wasn't fired for his opinions, he was fired for the bad PR Google got from his opinions.