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A better question is how can we give the owner a say without the typical owner getting pwned roughly 100% of the time? Which is what's happening on Android at t

A better question is how can we give the owner a say without the typical owner getting pwned roughly 100% of the time? Which is what's happening on Android at the moment.

HarryHirsch 9y ago
Someone invoking "personal responsibility" usually means that they try to drop their responsibilities on someone else, but for car maintenance it actually works. People know they should change tires when they are getting bald and leave brake maintenance to their mechanic unless they really know what they are doing. Anyone who gives a game access to their contacts really had it coming to them. (Disclaimer: don't own a smartphone)
- greglindahl 9y ago
  I recall that there are regulations about cars that make it more likely that a wide variety of owners will be able to maintain them successfully.
  - mulmen 9y ago
    Really? That's interesting, can you elaborate?
    - greglindahl 9y ago
      The US regulates "wear bars" on tires, which make it a lot more obvious when tires need to be replaced. I'm not saying that government regulation is needed, I'm just pointing out that the purpose of this tire feature is to make it more likely that people notice tire wear, and don't die from accidents involving bald tires.
      - mulmen 9y ago
        Ah thank you for the clarification. I was thinking along the lines of a right to repair where maintenance tasks such as replacing filters are convenient. I would not attribute that to regulation as much as practicality in even mechanics working on the cars.
        jessaustin 9y ago
        Weren't there some BMWs that required a mechanic with a special tool just to refill the DEF tank?
        greglindahl 9y ago
        Is this getting a bit far afield from trying to balance phone owner responsibility with safety and ownership?
- spookthesunset 9y ago
  Just waving the whole issue away by saying "make it the user's problem" isn't very helpful. It completely ignores the very real problem that most people don't know what is good for them and worse, even the people who do know what is best have a million better things to do with their time than personally scrutinize each and every app they install. Perhaps, the actual solution is to delegate that responsibility to somebody who does have the time, knowledge and incentive to make sure you are secure. I own an iPhone instead of an Android precisely because I don't want to be burdened with the task of determining if what I'm installing is or isn't going to backdoor its way into my phone. I trust that Apple will in most cases do the right thing. Maybe they won't every time, but the risk of that is less than the cost of time & energy required to play "deep dive into every fucking app I install on my phone".

A better question is how can we give the owner a say without the typical owner getting pwned roughly 100% of the time? Which is what's happening on Android at the moment.

HarryHirsch 9y ago

Someone invoking "personal responsibility" usually means that they try to drop their responsibilities on someone else, but for car maintenance it actually works. People know they should change tires when they are getting bald and leave brake maintenance to their mechanic unless they really know what they are doing. Anyone who gives a game access to their contacts really had it coming to them. (Disclaimer: don't own a smartphone)

greglindahl 9y ago
I recall that there are regulations about cars that make it more likely that a wide variety of owners will be able to maintain them successfully.
- mulmen 9y ago
  Really? That's interesting, can you elaborate?
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    The US regulates "wear bars" on tires, which make it a lot more obvious when tires need to be replaced. I'm not saying that government regulation is needed, I'm just pointing out that the purpose of this tire feature is to make it more likely that people notice tire wear, and don't die from accidents involving bald tires.
    - mulmen 9y ago
      Ah thank you for the clarification. I was thinking along the lines of a right to repair where maintenance tasks such as replacing filters are convenient. I would not attribute that to regulation as much as practicality in even mechanics working on the cars.
      - jessaustin 9y ago
        Weren't there some BMWs that required a mechanic with a special tool just to refill the DEF tank?
        greglindahl 9y ago
        Is this getting a bit far afield from trying to balance phone owner responsibility with safety and ownership?
spookthesunset 9y ago
Just waving the whole issue away by saying "make it the user's problem" isn't very helpful. It completely ignores the very real problem that most people don't know what is good for them and worse, even the people who do know what is best have a million better things to do with their time than personally scrutinize each and every app they install. Perhaps, the actual solution is to delegate that responsibility to somebody who does have the time, knowledge and incentive to make sure you are secure. I own an iPhone instead of an Android precisely because I don't want to be burdened with the task of determining if what I'm installing is or isn't going to backdoor its way into my phone. I trust that Apple will in most cases do the right thing. Maybe they won't every time, but the risk of that is less than the cost of time & energy required to play "deep dive into every fucking app I install on my phone".