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If women choose to take less lucrative careers, make less lucrative family roles, and negotiate their salaries less than men, than that's fine with me. Personal

If women choose to take less lucrative careers, make less lucrative family roles, and negotiate their salaries less than men, than that's fine with me. Personal freedom and equal opportunity will not always mean equality of outcome, especially in richer countries where women are free to live the life and career they want instead of the life and career they need to survive.

TuringTest 9y ago
For some definition of "choose", a significant part of the choice is imposed from external forces, not freely decided. You're saying that you're OK with people not offering the more lucrative jobs to some people just because they're women, paying less for comparable works that are traditionally done by women, and men expecting that their wives - mothers - female relatives will adopt caretaking roles in addition to their professional careers; i.e. you're OK with the societal factors that make a high percentage of women put up with less income.
- TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
  These aren't the 1950's anymore. The career choices of women _are_ freely decided nowadays. They have the ability to go to college, get a STEM degree, and become computer scientists if they want. Equal opportunity will not mean equal outcome when there are broad physical and psychological differences between the genders.
  - TuringTest 9y ago
    You're missing the part where those free decisions are made with less options from which to choose, because the people that would otherwise collaborate with women are restricting their options because of irrational factors like their gender alone (without physical and psychological differences having anything to do). You're missed to take prejudice into account.
    - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
      I'm confused. Are you saying that women are kept from going into STEM careers? Because they have every incentive to do so currently, yet still choose other career paths.

TuringTest 9y ago

For some definition of "choose", a significant part of the choice is imposed from external forces, not freely decided. You're saying that you're OK with people not offering the more lucrative jobs to some people just because they're women, paying less for comparable works that are traditionally done by women, and men expecting that their wives - mothers - female relatives will adopt caretaking roles in addition to their professional careers; i.e. you're OK with the societal factors that make a high percentage of women put up with less income.

TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
These aren't the 1950's anymore. The career choices of women _are_ freely decided nowadays. They have the ability to go to college, get a STEM degree, and become computer scientists if they want. Equal opportunity will not mean equal outcome when there are broad physical and psychological differences between the genders.
- TuringTest 9y ago
  You're missing the part where those free decisions are made with less options from which to choose, because the people that would otherwise collaborate with women are restricting their options because of irrational factors like their gender alone (without physical and psychological differences having anything to do). You're missed to take prejudice into account.
  - TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
    I'm confused. Are you saying that women are kept from going into STEM careers? Because they have every incentive to do so currently, yet still choose other career paths.