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Right! I'm really supportive of working towards social change where a person's role in life is no longer defined by their gender.

TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
Given that there are consistent biological[1] and psychological[2] differences between the sexes globally, I'm not sure this would be an achievable goal without hormonal modification, which would wreck the quality of life of one or both genders. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology
MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
Encouraging boys to make non-traditional career choices without making sure female marriage patterns change as well does not sound responsible to me.
- JoeAltmaier 9y ago
  I humbly suggest its none of our damn business how the women choose marriage patterns (if they choose to marry at all). Its definitely not "our responsibility".
  - MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
    I believe you read that the wrong way around. I'm not suggesting women change their marriage patterns. I'm saying it is irresponsible to advice boys to make live choices that are at odds with female mating behaviour, because it adversely affects their life outcomes.
    - ac29 9y ago
      What are these "non-traditional" life/career choices you think are adversely affecting men's life outcomes due to "female mating behaviour"? Your comments read as weirdly patriarchal, and dont reflect at all close to my experience with women.
      - MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
        Income is a more important factor in rating men's attractiveness compared to women. Here is just one study I quickly dug up, there are others confirming this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268114003242 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016726811... Another one: https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:113754 https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:113754 I don't understand whats patriarchal about my comment, care to elaborate? If you have a more solid data point than "thats not my personal experience", I'd be certainly interested in it.
        vilmosi 9y ago
        >>> Income is a more important factor in rating men's attractiveness compared to women. >>> I don't understand whats patriarchal about my comment, care to elaborate I mean seriously, the answer is in your own comment. Edit: I don't understand the downvotes. His own comment implies income is an important factor to attractiveness for men then asks why is that a patriarchal thing. I'm not being patronising but it's obvious that it's expected for the man to be the bread winner which is patriarchal in nature. The man doesn't have to be the bread winner. Why isn't a high income woman attractive?

TheAdamAndChe 9y ago

Given that there are consistent biological[1] and psychological[2] differences between the sexes globally, I'm not sure this would be an achievable goal without hormonal modification, which would wreck the quality of life of one or both genders. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology

MrBuddyCasino 9y ago

Encouraging boys to make non-traditional career choices without making sure female marriage patterns change as well does not sound responsible to me.

JoeAltmaier 9y ago
I humbly suggest its none of our damn business how the women choose marriage patterns (if they choose to marry at all). Its definitely not "our responsibility".
- MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
  I believe you read that the wrong way around. I'm not suggesting women change their marriage patterns. I'm saying it is irresponsible to advice boys to make live choices that are at odds with female mating behaviour, because it adversely affects their life outcomes.
  - ac29 9y ago
    What are these "non-traditional" life/career choices you think are adversely affecting men's life outcomes due to "female mating behaviour"? Your comments read as weirdly patriarchal, and dont reflect at all close to my experience with women.
    - MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
      Income is a more important factor in rating men's attractiveness compared to women. Here is just one study I quickly dug up, there are others confirming this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268114003242 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016726811... Another one: https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:113754 https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:113754 I don't understand whats patriarchal about my comment, care to elaborate? If you have a more solid data point than "thats not my personal experience", I'd be certainly interested in it.
      - vilmosi 9y ago
        >>> Income is a more important factor in rating men's attractiveness compared to women. >>> I don't understand whats patriarchal about my comment, care to elaborate I mean seriously, the answer is in your own comment. Edit: I don't understand the downvotes. His own comment implies income is an important factor to attractiveness for men then asks why is that a patriarchal thing. I'm not being patronising but it's obvious that it's expected for the man to be the bread winner which is patriarchal in nature. The man doesn't have to be the bread winner. Why isn't a high income woman attractive?