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Boys desire for large pay checks could be explained by patriarchal/societal expectations that they must be the main bread winner in a household

telesilla 9y ago
Right! I'm really supportive of working towards social change where a person's role in life is no longer defined by their gender.
- TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
  Given that there are consistent biological[1] and psychological[2] differences between the sexes globally, I'm not sure this would be an achievable goal without hormonal modification, which would wreck the quality of life of one or both genders. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology
- MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
  Encouraging boys to make non-traditional career choices without making sure female marriage patterns change as well does not sound responsible to me.
  - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
    I humbly suggest its none of our damn business how the women choose marriage patterns (if they choose to marry at all). Its definitely not "our responsibility".
    - MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
      I believe you read that the wrong way around. I'm not suggesting women change their marriage patterns. I'm saying it is irresponsible to advice boys to make live choices that are at odds with female mating behaviour, because it adversely affects their life outcomes.
      - ac29 9y ago
        What are these "non-traditional" life/career choices you think are adversely affecting men's life outcomes due to "female mating behaviour"? Your comments read as weirdly patriarchal, and dont reflect at all close to my experience with women.
        MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
        Income is a more important factor in rating men's attractiveness compared to women. Here is just one study I quickly dug up, there are others confirming this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268114003242 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016726811... Another one: https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:113754 https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:113754 I don't understand whats patriarchal about my comment, care to elaborate? If you have a more solid data point than "thats not my personal experience", I'd be certainly interested in it.
        vilmosi 9y ago
        >>> Income is a more important factor in rating men's attractiveness compared to women. >>> I don't understand whats patriarchal about my comment, care to elaborate I mean seriously, the answer is in your own comment. Edit: I don't understand the downvotes. His own comment implies income is an important factor to attractiveness for men then asks why is that a patriarchal thing. I'm not being patronising but it's obvious that it's expected for the man to be the bread winner which is patriarchal in nature. The man doesn't have to be the bread winner. Why isn't a high income woman attractive?
mpweiher 9y ago
> patriarchal/societal expectations .. main breadwinner Let's be clear who expects this: women do. Most women will stop dating a man if they discover he makes less than they do. When I was still in the Bay Area I was on match.com for a bit. >90% of the women's profiles stated they expected their match to make more than they do (even having this information in the form felt a bit weird for me). And no, this is not because of the "pay gap", which is a myth, or because they can't. In fact, the unwillingness actually increases with income levels, so the women who could most afford it are least willing to date a guy who makes less than they do.
zumu 9y ago
Most men I know aren't in it for the paycheck.

telesilla 9y ago

Right! I'm really supportive of working towards social change where a person's role in life is no longer defined by their gender.

TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
Given that there are consistent biological[1] and psychological[2] differences between the sexes globally, I'm not sure this would be an achievable goal without hormonal modification, which would wreck the quality of life of one or both genders. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology
MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
Encouraging boys to make non-traditional career choices without making sure female marriage patterns change as well does not sound responsible to me.
- JoeAltmaier 9y ago
  I humbly suggest its none of our damn business how the women choose marriage patterns (if they choose to marry at all). Its definitely not "our responsibility".
  - MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
    I believe you read that the wrong way around. I'm not suggesting women change their marriage patterns. I'm saying it is irresponsible to advice boys to make live choices that are at odds with female mating behaviour, because it adversely affects their life outcomes.
    - ac29 9y ago
      What are these "non-traditional" life/career choices you think are adversely affecting men's life outcomes due to "female mating behaviour"? Your comments read as weirdly patriarchal, and dont reflect at all close to my experience with women.
      - MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
        Income is a more important factor in rating men's attractiveness compared to women. Here is just one study I quickly dug up, there are others confirming this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268114003242 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016726811... Another one: https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:113754 https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:113754 I don't understand whats patriarchal about my comment, care to elaborate? If you have a more solid data point than "thats not my personal experience", I'd be certainly interested in it.
        vilmosi 9y ago
        >>> Income is a more important factor in rating men's attractiveness compared to women. >>> I don't understand whats patriarchal about my comment, care to elaborate I mean seriously, the answer is in your own comment. Edit: I don't understand the downvotes. His own comment implies income is an important factor to attractiveness for men then asks why is that a patriarchal thing. I'm not being patronising but it's obvious that it's expected for the man to be the bread winner which is patriarchal in nature. The man doesn't have to be the bread winner. Why isn't a high income woman attractive?

mpweiher 9y ago

> patriarchal/societal expectations .. main breadwinner Let's be clear who expects this: women do. Most women will stop dating a man if they discover he makes less than they do. When I was still in the Bay Area I was on match.com for a bit. >90% of the women's profiles stated they expected their match to make more than they do (even having this information in the form felt a bit weird for me). And no, this is not because of the "pay gap", which is a myth, or because they can't. In fact, the unwillingness actually increases with income levels, so the women who could most afford it are least willing to date a guy who makes less than they do.

zumu 9y ago

Most men I know aren't in it for the paycheck.