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I would take the whole equality movement more seriously if I had been able, in the past decade, to spot a negative news article / report on women. When you get

I would take the whole equality movement more seriously if I had been able, in the past decade, to spot a negative news article / report on women. When you get all the time exclusively negative news about men, you could start thinking that this is a coordinated (or emergent?) campaign.

michaelt 9y ago
I get positive news about my place in STEM every month, in the form of a paycheck which is more than four times my country's median individual income. I'll take concrete, quantifiable rewards over nice words in an opinion piece any day.
- golergka 9y ago
  But your salary is about your place individually, not about gigantic groups of people.
- throwaway1748 9y ago
  Why should it be an either-or proposition? There's lots of evidence that young boys are falling behind to girls in early to college education. Maybe both genders need encouraging words? And if we're collectively going to dish out negative articles about men, maybe that should cut both ways too
skjerns 9y ago
coordinated by who? By negative reports you mean 'something that women do wrong'?
- throwaway1748 9y ago
  It's definitely not coordinated. It's an emergent phenomenon that was created by the engagement-maximizing feed and recommendation algorithms we're plugged into
- gonvaled 9y ago
  If we insist on reporting by gender (that is questionable in itself) reporting must be truthful, otherwise we risk that these reports are not taken seriously. I am sure women are better than men at a lot of things, and equally good at other things. What are men better at? We know men are better at some things than women, but currently nobody is willing/interested/daring to report on this. Does it matter who is better? It seems yes, since lots of news are talking about how much better women are. Come on, I am extremely positive about equality; if you are starting to antagonize people like me, something is going really wrong.
throwaway1748 9y ago
Yep, the "women are wonderful" trope is extremely widespread in the media. I've seen dozens of articles with a headline like "women are better than men at investing" or "women make for better leaders". You never read anything saying "men are better than women at X", not that they'd be any more socially beneficial than the toxic male-bashing that occurs today.
- heedlessly2 9y ago
  >"men are better than women at X" You don't have to read about it. Most people already think men are better at everything. Most CEOs, established scientists, famous chefs, and philosophers are almost all men.
  - throwaway1748 9y ago
    That's not the conclusion I would draw from reading sites like Buzzfeed, Huffington Post, or even mainstream news like NYT or The Washington Post.
    - heedlessly2 9y ago
      Buzzfeed and HuffPo have an agenda to be very liberal and uses sensational articles to get attention because it goes against what most people historically think

michaelt 9y ago

I get positive news about my place in STEM every month, in the form of a paycheck which is more than four times my country's median individual income. I'll take concrete, quantifiable rewards over nice words in an opinion piece any day.

golergka 9y ago
But your salary is about your place individually, not about gigantic groups of people.
throwaway1748 9y ago
Why should it be an either-or proposition? There's lots of evidence that young boys are falling behind to girls in early to college education. Maybe both genders need encouraging words? And if we're collectively going to dish out negative articles about men, maybe that should cut both ways too

skjerns 9y ago

coordinated by who? By negative reports you mean 'something that women do wrong'?

throwaway1748 9y ago
It's definitely not coordinated. It's an emergent phenomenon that was created by the engagement-maximizing feed and recommendation algorithms we're plugged into
gonvaled 9y ago
If we insist on reporting by gender (that is questionable in itself) reporting must be truthful, otherwise we risk that these reports are not taken seriously. I am sure women are better than men at a lot of things, and equally good at other things. What are men better at? We know men are better at some things than women, but currently nobody is willing/interested/daring to report on this. Does it matter who is better? It seems yes, since lots of news are talking about how much better women are. Come on, I am extremely positive about equality; if you are starting to antagonize people like me, something is going really wrong.

throwaway1748 9y ago

Yep, the "women are wonderful" trope is extremely widespread in the media. I've seen dozens of articles with a headline like "women are better than men at investing" or "women make for better leaders". You never read anything saying "men are better than women at X", not that they'd be any more socially beneficial than the toxic male-bashing that occurs today.

heedlessly2 9y ago
>"men are better than women at X" You don't have to read about it. Most people already think men are better at everything. Most CEOs, established scientists, famous chefs, and philosophers are almost all men.
- throwaway1748 9y ago
  That's not the conclusion I would draw from reading sites like Buzzfeed, Huffington Post, or even mainstream news like NYT or The Washington Post.
  - heedlessly2 9y ago
    Buzzfeed and HuffPo have an agenda to be very liberal and uses sensational articles to get attention because it goes against what most people historically think