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Wikimedia has always been in favor of net neutrality, it's just that their role in the issue was always muddled by zero rating. From 2014: > The Wikimedia Foun

Wikimedia has always been in favor of net neutrality, it's just that their role in the issue was always muddled by zero rating. From 2014: > The Wikimedia Foundation believes that the principle of net neutrality is critical to the future of the open Internet. (https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-protecting-the-internet/ https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net...) In that article they also discuss how they reconcile net neutrality with Wikimedia Zero. From December 2017: > Net neutrality is essential for access to knowledge (https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/12/04/net-neutrality-access-to-knowledge/ https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/12/04/net-neutrality-access-...) Regarding Wikipedia strongly supporting net neutrality, I'm not sure I would agree considering it didn't participate in the day of action on December 12. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Action_to_Save_Net_Neutrality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Action_to_Save_Net_Neut...)

kragen 9y ago
Zero rating violates net neutrality; you can't be in favor of zero-rating and opposed to net neutrality. I know there are people who disagree with that, or who think it's possible to "balance" zero-rating against net neutrality, including Erik Moeller of the WMF. Those people are entitled to their opinion, but it is wrong. I think English Wikipedia didn't participate in the Day of Action because it's harder and harder to organize anything on WP, which of course is why WMF exists and why it isn't accountable to WP.
- cooper12 9y ago
  You said there wasn't any statement of support for NN from Wikimedia, I showed you otherwise. I also acknowledged that zero rating muddled the issue, but that's irrelevant now. So I don't see your point. The onus is now on you to prove they somehow don't support net neutrality. Regarding Wikimedia organizing things, the SOPA blackout [0] was actually organized by the community, Wikimedia only provided technical support on their end and wouldn't have done it unless there was community consensus. It's fine if you don't like Wikimedia, but there's no need to spout ignorance and double down while you do it. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative

kragen 9y ago

Zero rating violates net neutrality; you can't be in favor of zero-rating and opposed to net neutrality. I know there are people who disagree with that, or who think it's possible to "balance" zero-rating against net neutrality, including Erik Moeller of the WMF. Those people are entitled to their opinion, but it is wrong. I think English Wikipedia didn't participate in the Day of Action because it's harder and harder to organize anything on WP, which of course is why WMF exists and why it isn't accountable to WP.

cooper12 9y ago
You said there wasn't any statement of support for NN from Wikimedia, I showed you otherwise. I also acknowledged that zero rating muddled the issue, but that's irrelevant now. So I don't see your point. The onus is now on you to prove they somehow don't support net neutrality. Regarding Wikimedia organizing things, the SOPA blackout [0] was actually organized by the community, Wikimedia only provided technical support on their end and wouldn't have done it unless there was community consensus. It's fine if you don't like Wikimedia, but there's no need to spout ignorance and double down while you do it. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative