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But the democratically elected state senators do routinely cut the MTA's funding so that they can give their overrepresented rural constituents a tax cut.

chimeracoder 9y ago
> But the democratically elected state senators do routinely cut the MTA's funding so that they can give their overrepresented rural constituents a tax cut. 1. New York is not a democracy in anything but name. Voters have basically no control over the state government; the party establishment has fully captured that role. 2. The MTA doesn't have a funding problem. It has a spending problem - it literally pays people six-figure salaries to do absolutely nothing: https://nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html?referer= https://nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-cons...
todd8 9y ago
Why should rural New Yorkers be paying for NYC’s MTA funding?
- JoeAltmaier 9y ago
  An old lament. Why should rural (anywhere) fund the city folks' needs? E.g. Here in rural Iowa, we pay state taxes for schools like everybody else, and have a tiny underfunded school vs the nearby city's grand edifice with two theatres, enormous football facility, AP classes and full staff.
  - thescriptkiddie 9y ago
    In most cases it's the city folks subsidizing the rural folks. It turns out that it costs a lot more money to build the roads, power lines, schools, etc than the small number of rural residents that benefit from them will ever pay in taxes [0]. And in the specific case of New York's MTA, revenue from subway fares has repeatedly been diverted to pay for things other than the subway [1]. [0] https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/7/11/the-hills-are-alive-cause-the-cities-subsidize-them https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/7/11/the-hills-are-... [1] https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2010/03/09/albany-didnt-cut-the-mta-budget-they-stole-from-it/ https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2010/03/09/albany-didnt-cut-the-...
    - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
      Everybody benefits from farm access to markets. Rural roads are there for everybody. To say 'its more money per capita for rural folks' just means you're using a heatmap of population and putting it over infrastructure - shazam, it doesn't match!. But it says nothing about who's getting the utility out of the infrastructure.
- TheCoelacanth 9y ago
  Because urban New Yorkers are paying for rural areas' transportation infrastructure. In fact, state taxation and spending policies represent a large net transfer from urban areas to rural areas.

chimeracoder 9y ago

> But the democratically elected state senators do routinely cut the MTA's funding so that they can give their overrepresented rural constituents a tax cut. 1. New York is not a democracy in anything but name. Voters have basically no control over the state government; the party establishment has fully captured that role. 2. The MTA doesn't have a funding problem. It has a spending problem - it literally pays people six-figure salaries to do absolutely nothing: https://nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html?referer= https://nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-cons...

todd8 9y ago

Why should rural New Yorkers be paying for NYC’s MTA funding?

JoeAltmaier 9y ago
An old lament. Why should rural (anywhere) fund the city folks' needs? E.g. Here in rural Iowa, we pay state taxes for schools like everybody else, and have a tiny underfunded school vs the nearby city's grand edifice with two theatres, enormous football facility, AP classes and full staff.
- thescriptkiddie 9y ago
  In most cases it's the city folks subsidizing the rural folks. It turns out that it costs a lot more money to build the roads, power lines, schools, etc than the small number of rural residents that benefit from them will ever pay in taxes [0]. And in the specific case of New York's MTA, revenue from subway fares has repeatedly been diverted to pay for things other than the subway [1]. [0] https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/7/11/the-hills-are-alive-cause-the-cities-subsidize-them https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/7/11/the-hills-are-... [1] https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2010/03/09/albany-didnt-cut-the-mta-budget-they-stole-from-it/ https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2010/03/09/albany-didnt-cut-the-...
  - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
    Everybody benefits from farm access to markets. Rural roads are there for everybody. To say 'its more money per capita for rural folks' just means you're using a heatmap of population and putting it over infrastructure - shazam, it doesn't match!. But it says nothing about who's getting the utility out of the infrastructure.
TheCoelacanth 9y ago
Because urban New Yorkers are paying for rural areas' transportation infrastructure. In fact, state taxation and spending policies represent a large net transfer from urban areas to rural areas.