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Remember, if you are not actually gluten-intolerant, excluding gluten carries no health benefits at the price of significant inconvenience.

jnsaff2 9y ago
Source?
- ars 9y ago
  Many many many millennia of human history is not enough of a source for you? The gluten free fad is barely 5 years old.
  - flybayer 9y ago
    This is why that's not a good answer: http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2013/02/is-gluten-on-the-increase/ http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2013/02/is-gluten-on-the-incre...
    - ars 9y ago
      Did we read the same article? That article says there has been no change, and in fact people ate even more gluten in the past. (The small bit at the end where he tries to guess a reason can be ignored, since he's basing it on nothing.) Maybe I misunderstood you and you were bringing that article to confirm what I said?
fwsgonzo 9y ago
While that is right, the standard test doesn't always tell the truth - NCGS is a real thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-celiac_gluten_sensitivity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-celiac_gluten_sensitivity
- smoyer 9y ago
  Maybe (or probably for some sub-set of those people?) ... one of the researchers who helped popularize NCGS did a small-scale study that indicates FODMAPs may be the culprit. Keep an eye on this research because you may need to limit other foods as well as those with gluten (gluten and FODMAPs both exist in many foods). https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/are-18-millions-people-really-sensitive-to-gluten-20140704 https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/are-18-millions-p...
- markdown 9y ago
  I'm sensitive to gluten. I ate wheat with no issues for the first twenty odd years of my life. Then I developed psoriasis, an autoimmune disease. The psoriasis was probably unrelated, but I discovered that gluten was a trigger. Whenever I fail to resist wheat (cake, pizza, etc), I end up with rashes all over my body and horrible bloating/gas. This subsides after a week or so of abstaining from gluten. It's terribly inconvenient, and breakfast has gotten more expensive.
  - txsh 9y ago
    Don't be so sure it's unrelated. I ate gluten for the first 25 years of my life. I stopped eating it for more serious problems but, when I did, the knee pain I had since 15 also went away.
    - yesenadam 9y ago
      ! My housemate ate gluten the first 55 years of her life. When she stopped eating it, the knee pain she had since 17 (and other problems) went away. No doctor ever suggested doing that.
smoyer 9y ago
Also ... Many people who think they're gluten-sensitive may actually be sensitive to FODMAPs. It's worth finding out because there are gluten-free foods that still contain these substances.
- txsh 9y ago
  That hypothesis comes from an old study that got a lot of media attention at the time (2013 I think) but it has since been debunked. People with gluten sensitivity respond negatively to gluten even when on a non-FODMAP diet.
toomanybeersies 9y ago
The gluten-free fad has been a double edged sword for actual gluten-intolerant and celiac people. On one hand, there are a lot more gluten-free products on supermarket shelves, all of which are legally required to be certified gluten-free. So big win there. On the other hand, restaurants and chefs aren't taking requests for gluten-free food seriously, because there's a good chance it's just a fad dieter.
- oligopoly 9y ago
  I find it interesting there is a market for gluten-free stuff. I get if you are buying some diet fad you might buy something like that but if you are actually allergic why not just abstain from bread or pasta for example? If you are gluten intolerant and pasta makes you sick there's a good change you don't even want to see anything resembling what made you sick. I guess if one is self diagnosed then it might not be a problem.. Gluten-free products are expensive as hell. For lot of allergics out there you can't even entertain the thought of eating out in a restaurant because of cross contamination (peanuts etc). Being food allergic myself it has forced me to eat healthy and avoid crap food. Having a muscular ripped body is just one of the benefits.
  - DanBC 9y ago
    Lots of the certified products are not substitutes for bread or pasta. Gluten is in many foods, often unexpectedly, and certification gives celiacs reassurance that they're not going to be harmed by that chocolate or those oats.
  - clintonb 9y ago
    Gluten/wheat are used in a lot of foods. Peanuts and dairy? Not so much. I continue to be amazed at how many food items contain wheat.
    - oligopoly 9y ago
      Well I just eat the same shit - chicken, rice and broccoli - everyday. Problem solved. Wouldn't have it any other way honestly. After you eat certain foods long enough your body starts to crave them. Would have the same combo on final meal.
vpribish 9y ago
you must mean "... eating gluten[-free] carries no health benefits..."
gaius 9y ago
at the price of significant inconvenience On the contrary, it's an extremely convenient way for fad-dieters to get the attention they crave.
txsh 9y ago
On the other hand, the vast majority of people with celiac disease don't know they have it. And those with non-celiac gluten sensitivity remember the weeks or months of needless pain and suffering before they tried an elimination diet. Excluding gluten lets you know if gluten is making you sick.
- code_duck 9y ago
  True, but you have to be more strict than most people think, and have to do it for longer than expected. 3 months of certified gluten free and whole foods would do it, and you also have to replace all of your utensils, cutting boards, plates etc or at the least all non-porous ones. And, everyone in your household needs to be gluten free, or probably you will still be receiving enough to throw the trial off. Even better idea, just get tested. You can't do the test when you're gluten free, and if gluten makes you sick, going gluten free and then eating it for 1-3 months for the test will be miserable and perhaps dangerous.

jnsaff2 9y ago

Source?

ars 9y ago
Many many many millennia of human history is not enough of a source for you? The gluten free fad is barely 5 years old.
- flybayer 9y ago
  This is why that's not a good answer: http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2013/02/is-gluten-on-the-increase/ http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2013/02/is-gluten-on-the-incre...
  - ars 9y ago
    Did we read the same article? That article says there has been no change, and in fact people ate even more gluten in the past. (The small bit at the end where he tries to guess a reason can be ignored, since he's basing it on nothing.) Maybe I misunderstood you and you were bringing that article to confirm what I said?

fwsgonzo 9y ago

While that is right, the standard test doesn't always tell the truth - NCGS is a real thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-celiac_gluten_sensitivity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-celiac_gluten_sensitivity

smoyer 9y ago
Maybe (or probably for some sub-set of those people?) ... one of the researchers who helped popularize NCGS did a small-scale study that indicates FODMAPs may be the culprit. Keep an eye on this research because you may need to limit other foods as well as those with gluten (gluten and FODMAPs both exist in many foods). https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/are-18-millions-people-really-sensitive-to-gluten-20140704 https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/are-18-millions-p...
markdown 9y ago
I'm sensitive to gluten. I ate wheat with no issues for the first twenty odd years of my life. Then I developed psoriasis, an autoimmune disease. The psoriasis was probably unrelated, but I discovered that gluten was a trigger. Whenever I fail to resist wheat (cake, pizza, etc), I end up with rashes all over my body and horrible bloating/gas. This subsides after a week or so of abstaining from gluten. It's terribly inconvenient, and breakfast has gotten more expensive.
- txsh 9y ago
  Don't be so sure it's unrelated. I ate gluten for the first 25 years of my life. I stopped eating it for more serious problems but, when I did, the knee pain I had since 15 also went away.
  - yesenadam 9y ago
    ! My housemate ate gluten the first 55 years of her life. When she stopped eating it, the knee pain she had since 17 (and other problems) went away. No doctor ever suggested doing that.

smoyer 9y ago

Also ... Many people who think they're gluten-sensitive may actually be sensitive to FODMAPs. It's worth finding out because there are gluten-free foods that still contain these substances.

txsh 9y ago
That hypothesis comes from an old study that got a lot of media attention at the time (2013 I think) but it has since been debunked. People with gluten sensitivity respond negatively to gluten even when on a non-FODMAP diet.

toomanybeersies 9y ago

The gluten-free fad has been a double edged sword for actual gluten-intolerant and celiac people. On one hand, there are a lot more gluten-free products on supermarket shelves, all of which are legally required to be certified gluten-free. So big win there. On the other hand, restaurants and chefs aren't taking requests for gluten-free food seriously, because there's a good chance it's just a fad dieter.

oligopoly 9y ago
I find it interesting there is a market for gluten-free stuff. I get if you are buying some diet fad you might buy something like that but if you are actually allergic why not just abstain from bread or pasta for example? If you are gluten intolerant and pasta makes you sick there's a good change you don't even want to see anything resembling what made you sick. I guess if one is self diagnosed then it might not be a problem.. Gluten-free products are expensive as hell. For lot of allergics out there you can't even entertain the thought of eating out in a restaurant because of cross contamination (peanuts etc). Being food allergic myself it has forced me to eat healthy and avoid crap food. Having a muscular ripped body is just one of the benefits.
- DanBC 9y ago
  Lots of the certified products are not substitutes for bread or pasta. Gluten is in many foods, often unexpectedly, and certification gives celiacs reassurance that they're not going to be harmed by that chocolate or those oats.
- clintonb 9y ago
  Gluten/wheat are used in a lot of foods. Peanuts and dairy? Not so much. I continue to be amazed at how many food items contain wheat.
  - oligopoly 9y ago
    Well I just eat the same shit - chicken, rice and broccoli - everyday. Problem solved. Wouldn't have it any other way honestly. After you eat certain foods long enough your body starts to crave them. Would have the same combo on final meal.

vpribish 9y ago

you must mean "... eating gluten[-free] carries no health benefits..."

gaius 9y ago

at the price of significant inconvenience On the contrary, it's an extremely convenient way for fad-dieters to get the attention they crave.

txsh 9y ago

On the other hand, the vast majority of people with celiac disease don't know they have it. And those with non-celiac gluten sensitivity remember the weeks or months of needless pain and suffering before they tried an elimination diet. Excluding gluten lets you know if gluten is making you sick.

code_duck 9y ago
True, but you have to be more strict than most people think, and have to do it for longer than expected. 3 months of certified gluten free and whole foods would do it, and you also have to replace all of your utensils, cutting boards, plates etc or at the least all non-porous ones. And, everyone in your household needs to be gluten free, or probably you will still be receiving enough to throw the trial off. Even better idea, just get tested. You can't do the test when you're gluten free, and if gluten makes you sick, going gluten free and then eating it for 1-3 months for the test will be miserable and perhaps dangerous.