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>If that doesn't point to a presence of insane, insufferable far left (or at least leftist) crazies I don't know what does. I think you're mistaking how extrem

>If that doesn't point to a presence of insane, insufferable far left (or at least leftist) crazies I don't know what does. I think you're mistaking how extreme their political beliefs are with how extremely devoted to their political beliefs they are. Most of these people aren't 'far left' they're just very, very committed to their center/center-left politics.

friedman23 9y ago
Let me tell you, if you shed tears because Trump won the election you are mentally unstable.
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
  Well no... they were just very devoted to the election but it's also missing the point. Many people who shed tears over Trump's win are not far left, they're just normal centrist or center-left.
  - astura 9y ago
    Or even center-right. Many of my family, who are definitely right leaning, mildly racist, God fearing, Church attending Christians, we're absolutely devastated at Trump's victory. I fail to understand how "crying Donald J Trump is the president of the United States" equals being an "insane insufferable far left crazy." Even if you mostly agree with him politically, you may still be very upset about someone who boasted about sexually assaulting women representing you/your political beliefs. That's just one example.
- sho 9y ago
  > if you shed tears because Trump won the election you are mentally unstable Upvoting you to counter your ridiculous downvotes. What the hell people. If you shed tears because Trump won then you are actually part of the problem. You are on "Team Blue" and crying because "Team Red" won. This simplistic tribalistic nonsense is not how you run a society. update for the downvoters: unless you view Team Red as intrinsically illegitimate, in which case you need to ask yourself - do you live in a democracy? Really - a one-party democracy? What a splendid innovation!
  - frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
    Huh? I mean you realize elections have real-world consequences right? It's not exactly like their team lost the superbowl. What about the dreamers, surely they're allowed to cry because of Trump's win right? What about trans people? What about those who would benefit from medical marijuana? What about those who have insurance because of 'Obamacare'? What about those with family members in 'muslim countries'? Maybe you didn't have too much at stake in recent election but many, many people do and they're perfectly justified in their tears. >This simplistic tribalistic nonsense is not how you run a society. Ironically it seems like you two are being just as tribalistic as the people you complain about. Maybe something to think about.
    - sho 9y ago
      > you two are being just as tribalistic as the people you complain about You might be right. I just don't know what to do about political discussion these days. The punchline is, in case you didn't see any other posts by me, is that I've never not been on the left. In my defence I'll address a few points. The cannabis and DACA issues were not contemporaneous with the president's election, so exclude those. Trump promised, disingenuously, "bigger, better" healthcare. The Muslim thing was not known at the time. Actually, none of your points stick. But I'll concede anyway. Yes, elections have real-world consequences. But the vibe I got from the comment I replied to - of valley girls crying into their pumpkin spice lattes - was valid. They were mourning their team losing. This is a deathly trap we fall into these days politics-wise. It's a team sport and you will never forsake "your" team. I picked up a few traces of that loyalty from your examples, btw. > It's not exactly like their team lost the superbowl I'd counter that it is exactly like their team lost, or won, the superbowl
      - dragonwriter 9y ago
        > The cannabis and DACA issues were not contemporaneous with the president's election, Trump, during the campaign, said he would immediately terminate DACA if elected, and also (by the end) had reversed his earlier position of leaving marijuana legalization up to the states, in favor of reinforcing prohibition. So, both were active issues in the election. > Trump promised, disingenuously, "bigger, better" healthcare. With no actual content except the repeal of the ACA. > The Muslim thing was not known at the time The Muslim ban was one of the earliest and most frequently repeated campaign promises, though the exact wording changed over time. It was not a policy preference that was out of the public awareness at the time of the election.

friedman23 9y ago

Let me tell you, if you shed tears because Trump won the election you are mentally unstable.

frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
Well no... they were just very devoted to the election but it's also missing the point. Many people who shed tears over Trump's win are not far left, they're just normal centrist or center-left.
- astura 9y ago
  Or even center-right. Many of my family, who are definitely right leaning, mildly racist, God fearing, Church attending Christians, we're absolutely devastated at Trump's victory. I fail to understand how "crying Donald J Trump is the president of the United States" equals being an "insane insufferable far left crazy." Even if you mostly agree with him politically, you may still be very upset about someone who boasted about sexually assaulting women representing you/your political beliefs. That's just one example.
sho 9y ago
> if you shed tears because Trump won the election you are mentally unstable Upvoting you to counter your ridiculous downvotes. What the hell people. If you shed tears because Trump won then you are actually part of the problem. You are on "Team Blue" and crying because "Team Red" won. This simplistic tribalistic nonsense is not how you run a society. update for the downvoters: unless you view Team Red as intrinsically illegitimate, in which case you need to ask yourself - do you live in a democracy? Really - a one-party democracy? What a splendid innovation!
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
  Huh? I mean you realize elections have real-world consequences right? It's not exactly like their team lost the superbowl. What about the dreamers, surely they're allowed to cry because of Trump's win right? What about trans people? What about those who would benefit from medical marijuana? What about those who have insurance because of 'Obamacare'? What about those with family members in 'muslim countries'? Maybe you didn't have too much at stake in recent election but many, many people do and they're perfectly justified in their tears. >This simplistic tribalistic nonsense is not how you run a society. Ironically it seems like you two are being just as tribalistic as the people you complain about. Maybe something to think about.
  - sho 9y ago
    > you two are being just as tribalistic as the people you complain about You might be right. I just don't know what to do about political discussion these days. The punchline is, in case you didn't see any other posts by me, is that I've never not been on the left. In my defence I'll address a few points. The cannabis and DACA issues were not contemporaneous with the president's election, so exclude those. Trump promised, disingenuously, "bigger, better" healthcare. The Muslim thing was not known at the time. Actually, none of your points stick. But I'll concede anyway. Yes, elections have real-world consequences. But the vibe I got from the comment I replied to - of valley girls crying into their pumpkin spice lattes - was valid. They were mourning their team losing. This is a deathly trap we fall into these days politics-wise. It's a team sport and you will never forsake "your" team. I picked up a few traces of that loyalty from your examples, btw. > It's not exactly like their team lost the superbowl I'd counter that it is exactly like their team lost, or won, the superbowl
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > The cannabis and DACA issues were not contemporaneous with the president's election, Trump, during the campaign, said he would immediately terminate DACA if elected, and also (by the end) had reversed his earlier position of leaving marijuana legalization up to the states, in favor of reinforcing prohibition. So, both were active issues in the election. > Trump promised, disingenuously, "bigger, better" healthcare. With no actual content except the repeal of the ACA. > The Muslim thing was not known at the time The Muslim ban was one of the earliest and most frequently repeated campaign promises, though the exact wording changed over time. It was not a policy preference that was out of the public awareness at the time of the election.