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> Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, mental illness, neurodiversity,

> Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, mental illness, neurodiversity, physical appearance, body size, age, race, or religion. Harassment should be harassment, no? Does it matter if the perpetrator is "reinforcing systemic oppression" or just being obnoxious? Why put this clause in here? Will it be enforced when someone says "kill all men" or "apply for our speaking position if you're not a white male"? This CoC seems sharply political, which is sad because something like FreeBSD should more or less be totally free of politics.

soyiuz 9y ago
When "killing all men" type of behavior becomes problematic you will have a point. The problem has been that some people don't understand what "being obnoxious" is and need it spelled out for them. Because men have not been historically a target of oppression, the explanation now has the language that it does, using actual examples / lines of harassment.
- malvosenior 9y ago
  And this is what I mean by dragging politics into an open source project where it doesn't belong. > When "killing all men" type of behavior becomes problematic you will have a point. Every time someone "ironically" tweets this, it's a problem. I've yet to see a CoC used effectively to stop it.
  - soyiuz 9y ago
    Consider that from your point of view the open source project is free from politics and the anti-harassment policy is "dragging politics into it." But from the point of view of someone who has experienced harassment, politics were indeed an issue. The inconvenience to you is minor. You now have to spend an extra moment to consider another point of view. The inconvenience to your aggrieved peer was major. They were actually harassed. The benefit to them outweighs your annoyance.
    - malvosenior 9y ago
      Anyone can be harassed, white males included. There is a very legitimate fear of speaking out against extreme left wing political statements in the tech industry. This CoC is yet another weapon to use against people who don't agree in inherent white male privilege (a concept that is most definitely political). The politically neutral move would be to not have a CoC or have one that excludes all demographic white/blacklisting.
    - akerro 9y ago
      >You now have to spend an extra moment to consider another point of view. Stop right here to consider every other possible point of view. >Because men have not been historically a target of oppression In some cultures it's men who were hunted for witchcraft and men were burnt alive or drawn. You just offended them. Also in our culture men go to war, men die and fight wars. That's pretty quite oppressing that politicians have no problem sacrificing men. Consider that point of view.

soyiuz 9y ago

When "killing all men" type of behavior becomes problematic you will have a point. The problem has been that some people don't understand what "being obnoxious" is and need it spelled out for them. Because men have not been historically a target of oppression, the explanation now has the language that it does, using actual examples / lines of harassment.

malvosenior 9y ago
And this is what I mean by dragging politics into an open source project where it doesn't belong. > When "killing all men" type of behavior becomes problematic you will have a point. Every time someone "ironically" tweets this, it's a problem. I've yet to see a CoC used effectively to stop it.
- soyiuz 9y ago
  Consider that from your point of view the open source project is free from politics and the anti-harassment policy is "dragging politics into it." But from the point of view of someone who has experienced harassment, politics were indeed an issue. The inconvenience to you is minor. You now have to spend an extra moment to consider another point of view. The inconvenience to your aggrieved peer was major. They were actually harassed. The benefit to them outweighs your annoyance.
  - malvosenior 9y ago
    Anyone can be harassed, white males included. There is a very legitimate fear of speaking out against extreme left wing political statements in the tech industry. This CoC is yet another weapon to use against people who don't agree in inherent white male privilege (a concept that is most definitely political). The politically neutral move would be to not have a CoC or have one that excludes all demographic white/blacklisting.
  - akerro 9y ago
    >You now have to spend an extra moment to consider another point of view. Stop right here to consider every other possible point of view. >Because men have not been historically a target of oppression In some cultures it's men who were hunted for witchcraft and men were burnt alive or drawn. You just offended them. Also in our culture men go to war, men die and fight wars. That's pretty quite oppressing that politicians have no problem sacrificing men. Consider that point of view.