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This makes me sad. Do people really need to be told what not to do and say like that? To me it feels insulting that I am not trusted to be nice to others.

by aap_ 9y ago

alangpierce 9y ago
> it feels insulting that I am not trusted to be nice to others This isn't targeted at you, though, or even the average person. Even if this stuff is obvious to most people, there certainly exist people who can't be trusted to be nice to others, and they're the ones causing problems, so they're the most important target audience for a code of conduct.
detaro 9y ago
Rules existing doesn't say that you aren't trusted, it just says that there are some people that are not. Are you insulted by laws forbidding you to do bad things? I'm more concerned about rules that I think might apply to me in a way I'd consider unfair than about rules that I'm already staying a safe distance from violating.
temprature 9y ago
Given that there's groups of people railing against being told not to do the things on this list, yes, apparently.
- aap_ 9y ago
  Not liking being told what not to do does not imply that you want to actually do it though. Maybe I don't want to leave the house today, but that doesn't mean I will accept being locked up.
  - 2trill2spill 9y ago
    > Not liking being told what not to do does not imply that you want to actually do it though. Maybe I don't want to leave the house today, but that doesn't mean I will accept being locked up. So you agree with the contents of the code of conduct but your not going to following them just to be difficult?
ygaf 9y ago
>Do people really need to be told what not to do and say like that? There isn't any evidence of it. On the other hand the language in the CoC itself is evidence that it comes from busybodies.
- 2trill2spill 9y ago
  > On the other hand the language in the CoC itself is evidence that it comes from busybodies. And just what evidence is that? You inferring something is not evidence.
  - ygaf 9y ago
    Normal people don't rewrite "harassment" in a CoC as "reinforcing systemic oppression". (They might a few years from now) In fairness, FreeBSD say at the end they lifted material from another CoC (geekfeminism), although looking at it (http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Community_anti-harassment/Policy http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Community_anti-harassment...) it's actually all on FreeBSD.
    - 2trill2spill 9y ago
      Is there a definition of "normal people" that says they don't write "reinforcing systemic oppression" or is that you asserting your opinion as fact, again?
imsofuture 9y ago
It also makes me sad. Precisely because, yes, people really do need to be told that.

This makes me sad. Do people really need to be told what not to do and say like that? To me it feels insulting that I am not trusted to be nice to others.

by aap_ 9y ago

This makes me sad. Do people really need to be told what not to do and say like that? To me it feels insulting that I am not trusted to be nice to others.

alangpierce 9y ago

> it feels insulting that I am not trusted to be nice to others This isn't targeted at you, though, or even the average person. Even if this stuff is obvious to most people, there certainly exist people who can't be trusted to be nice to others, and they're the ones causing problems, so they're the most important target audience for a code of conduct.

detaro 9y ago

Rules existing doesn't say that you aren't trusted, it just says that there are some people that are not. Are you insulted by laws forbidding you to do bad things? I'm more concerned about rules that I think might apply to me in a way I'd consider unfair than about rules that I'm already staying a safe distance from violating.

temprature 9y ago

Given that there's groups of people railing against being told not to do the things on this list, yes, apparently.

aap_ 9y ago
Not liking being told what not to do does not imply that you want to actually do it though. Maybe I don't want to leave the house today, but that doesn't mean I will accept being locked up.
- 2trill2spill 9y ago
  > Not liking being told what not to do does not imply that you want to actually do it though. Maybe I don't want to leave the house today, but that doesn't mean I will accept being locked up. So you agree with the contents of the code of conduct but your not going to following them just to be difficult?

ygaf 9y ago

>Do people really need to be told what not to do and say like that? There isn't any evidence of it. On the other hand the language in the CoC itself is evidence that it comes from busybodies.

2trill2spill 9y ago
> On the other hand the language in the CoC itself is evidence that it comes from busybodies. And just what evidence is that? You inferring something is not evidence.
- ygaf 9y ago
  Normal people don't rewrite "harassment" in a CoC as "reinforcing systemic oppression". (They might a few years from now) In fairness, FreeBSD say at the end they lifted material from another CoC (geekfeminism), although looking at it (http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Community_anti-harassment/Policy http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Community_anti-harassment...) it's actually all on FreeBSD.
  - 2trill2spill 9y ago
    Is there a definition of "normal people" that says they don't write "reinforcing systemic oppression" or is that you asserting your opinion as fact, again?

imsofuture 9y ago

It also makes me sad. Precisely because, yes, people really do need to be told that.