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That's terrifying. At least for the lobster, we're not really sure how they interpret pain. They don't have a brain in the same way the humans do. As a vegetar

That's terrifying. At least for the lobster, we're not really sure how they interpret pain. They don't have a brain in the same way the humans do. As a vegetarian, I personally would go back to meat if I just knew my meal had a good life and did not suffer needlessly in order for me to eat it. But for the prisoner, this seems like the worst combination: internalized suffering and externalized indifference... So minimize the the deturrence to crime while maximizing the suffering in society. Isn't this the opposite of how it should be?

benrbray 9y ago
Honest question: We don't treat dairy cows particularly well while they're alive (for example), so if you care about animal suffering why are you a vegetarian and not a vegan? I'm neither, for the record.
- wallace_f 9y ago
  Because doing something is better than nothing.
ethbro 9y ago
> internalized suffering and externalized indifference Didn't we just describe the entire aim of the US prison system?
wolco 9y ago
What do you make of the recent science on plants ability to feel and sense?
erric 9y ago
The latest Hardcore History episode is called "Painfotainment", where Dan Carlin describes the history of executions and shows how they were not only a form of punishment but a large source of entertainment as well; from pre-history through very modern times. [0] It's not been a very easy episode to consume. I've always been against the death-penalty because it is: permanent, subject to racial bias/applied un-evenly, performed by incompetent persons/botched, recommended by imperfect evidence, highly linked to religious sacrifice and does nothing to actually deter crime. As for going back to meat, are you following the vat grown protein farmers? [0: https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-61-blitz-painfotainment/ https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-61-blitz-...]

benrbray 9y ago

Honest question: We don't treat dairy cows particularly well while they're alive (for example), so if you care about animal suffering why are you a vegetarian and not a vegan? I'm neither, for the record.

wallace_f 9y ago
Because doing something is better than nothing.

ethbro 9y ago

> internalized suffering and externalized indifference Didn't we just describe the entire aim of the US prison system?

wolco 9y ago

What do you make of the recent science on plants ability to feel and sense?

erric 9y ago

The latest Hardcore History episode is called "Painfotainment", where Dan Carlin describes the history of executions and shows how they were not only a form of punishment but a large source of entertainment as well; from pre-history through very modern times. [0] It's not been a very easy episode to consume. I've always been against the death-penalty because it is: permanent, subject to racial bias/applied un-evenly, performed by incompetent persons/botched, recommended by imperfect evidence, highly linked to religious sacrifice and does nothing to actually deter crime. As for going back to meat, are you following the vat grown protein farmers? [0: https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-61-blitz-painfotainment/ https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-61-blitz-...]