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I absolutely, 100% would not volunteer to go through a "horrible torture." I certainly wouldn't do it for "a game." I don't think I would do it for any amount

by mod 9y ago

I absolutely, 100% would not volunteer to go through a "horrible torture." I certainly wouldn't do it for "a game." I don't think I would do it for any amount of money or other benefit, either. What you're proposing is (seemingly) no benefit beyond the experience of being tortured--which coincidentally you are going you erase when you delete the mental illness. Anyway, you're wrong, nobody would sign up for that. People who are afraid of roller coasters don't ride them. Everyone's afraid of torture.

tempestn 9y ago
Yeah, that part didn't make sense. I would agree with the argument that a day of torture with no lasting effects would be preferable to death though.
chr1 9y ago
> I absolutely, 100% would not volunteer to go through a "horrible torture." Even if it was to unlock a new level in a game, or to remove a tooth? :) More seriously though seems like i didn't manage to express what i wanted to say in my comment. My point was that people are afraid of torture, and many other things (like roller coasters) because there's a large chance to die in the end. And without that chance the whole thing is just some neurons being active, and is not a big deal. Your point about needing to erase all memory of the experience to not get mental illness is very interesting. I'd expect the brain to be more stable, but we don't know enough about the brain to say for sure.
- mod 9y ago
  > Your point about needing to erase all memory of the experience to not get mental illness is very interesting. I actually didn't express that very well. I kind of meant that if you were to erase the mental illness, you've effectively erased the whole experience. Horrible torture isn't something you just leave behind you the day after. The influence it has is almost necessarily mental illness in some form or fashion. If anyone did go through horrible torture voluntarily, I would expect they would do it to know what it was like. And mental illness is part of what it's like.
- crooked-v 9y ago
  > or to remove a tooth? The point of tooth removal in dentistry is to end pain, not to cause it.
  - chr1 9y ago
    Sure, but if you do not have the proper painkillers, it's hell of a lot more painful than the pain it ends. You are trading long term nagging pain, for short intense one, which is totally worth it, but is a lot of pain.
  - aianus 9y ago
    People painfully remove perfectly good wisdom teeth all the time just because it's convenient to do them all at once and on the off chance that they're preventing some pain in the future.
- gnulinux 9y ago
  > My point was that people are afraid of torture, and many other things (like roller coasters) because there's a large chance to die in the end. And without that chance the whole thing is just some neurons being active, and is not a big deal. There are people afraid of bugs, dogs, cats, birds, balls etc... There are also people who experience anxiety for unknown reasons due to anxiety disorder. Moreover, there is no, quoting you, "large chance to die in the end" in roller coasters. I don't think any part of your argument makes sense, sorry.

by mod 9y ago

tempestn 9y ago

Yeah, that part didn't make sense. I would agree with the argument that a day of torture with no lasting effects would be preferable to death though.

chr1 9y ago

> I absolutely, 100% would not volunteer to go through a "horrible torture." Even if it was to unlock a new level in a game, or to remove a tooth? :) More seriously though seems like i didn't manage to express what i wanted to say in my comment. My point was that people are afraid of torture, and many other things (like roller coasters) because there's a large chance to die in the end. And without that chance the whole thing is just some neurons being active, and is not a big deal. Your point about needing to erase all memory of the experience to not get mental illness is very interesting. I'd expect the brain to be more stable, but we don't know enough about the brain to say for sure.

mod 9y ago
> Your point about needing to erase all memory of the experience to not get mental illness is very interesting. I actually didn't express that very well. I kind of meant that if you were to erase the mental illness, you've effectively erased the whole experience. Horrible torture isn't something you just leave behind you the day after. The influence it has is almost necessarily mental illness in some form or fashion. If anyone did go through horrible torture voluntarily, I would expect they would do it to know what it was like. And mental illness is part of what it's like.
crooked-v 9y ago
> or to remove a tooth? The point of tooth removal in dentistry is to end pain, not to cause it.
- chr1 9y ago
  Sure, but if you do not have the proper painkillers, it's hell of a lot more painful than the pain it ends. You are trading long term nagging pain, for short intense one, which is totally worth it, but is a lot of pain.
- aianus 9y ago
  People painfully remove perfectly good wisdom teeth all the time just because it's convenient to do them all at once and on the off chance that they're preventing some pain in the future.
gnulinux 9y ago
> My point was that people are afraid of torture, and many other things (like roller coasters) because there's a large chance to die in the end. And without that chance the whole thing is just some neurons being active, and is not a big deal. There are people afraid of bugs, dogs, cats, birds, balls etc... There are also people who experience anxiety for unknown reasons due to anxiety disorder. Moreover, there is no, quoting you, "large chance to die in the end" in roller coasters. I don't think any part of your argument makes sense, sorry.