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Not volunteer for it alone, but try it as a part of a bigger package. Kind of like a more realistic version of a horror movie/game. Do you think i am entirely

by chr1 9y ago

Not volunteer for it alone, but try it as a part of a bigger package. Kind of like a more realistic version of a horror movie/game. Do you think i am entirely wrong, and suffering is worse than death? Do you think it is better to die, instead of enduring suffering and then getting to live some more?

blattimwind 9y ago
My gut feeling is that you do very little work with your hands, because your pain-o-meter seems to have drifted in a very unrealistic direction.
- dsfyu404ed 9y ago
  I agree. I'd do a heck of a lot more unsafe shit if I knew I could survive it without permanent damage. It's the permanent damage that keeps me from doing flagrantly unsafe stuff, not the pain. You wind up causing yourself pain in all sorts of avoidable but not terribly unsafe ways.
  - myrandomcomment 9y ago
    It's is amazing the pain and suffering a human can endure through shear force of will. In Ranger School in the US Army the primary thing you learn more then anything else is you mind can tell your body to shut up deal.
TomMarius 9y ago
I think you severely underestimate how much painful torture is.
- dsfyu404ed 9y ago
  If you knew there would be no permanent damage would you do it for $10, $100, $1,000, some amount that assures you never have to work again, etc? There's many cultures that have coming of age rituals that would be considered torture in the western world. People do those things because they're "part of a larger package" so to speak.
  - Tyrannosaur 9y ago
    There being "many cultures" that do this, I'd like to hear some examples. The only ones I can come up with are fictional
    - lovich 9y ago
      These are the most extreme example I know of, but it's a lot of pain for a manhood ritual https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maw%C3%A9_people https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maw%C3%A9_people
    - Terretta 9y ago
      Random cut and pastes: THAIPUSAM, MALAYSIA In a demonstration of devotion and offer of penance to the Hindu God Lord Murugan, devotees perform incredible (and sometimes gruesome!) feats. They pierce their body and face with skewers, drag chariots with hooks attached to their skin and carry uncomfortable metal frames called ‘kavadis’ through the streets and up the 272 steps to the shrine at the top of the cave. During the festival some participants enter trance-like states when their soul is believed to be cleansed of sins. PHUKET VEGETARIAN FESTIVAL, THAILAND By the name of this festival you may assume it to be a gentle affair where new-age vegetarian hippies share tofu recipes over yoga mats in Thailand. However, the Phuket Vegetarian festival is one of the craziest, most spectacular events in South East Asia. You’ll witness incredible acts of self-torture such as walking on hot coals, climbing bladed ladders and the piercing of cheeks with swords, shards of glass – even beach umbrellas. Filipino fanatics re-enact crucifixion for Good Friday In a bloody display of religious devotion Roman Catholic fanatics in the Philippines have had themselves nailed to the cross as the Christian world marks the day Jesus was crucified. Read the link for quotes from people talking about the repeated nerve pain, blood, etc.: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-06/philippino-fanatics-crucify-themselves-for-good-friday/3937448 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-06/philippino-fanatics-cr...
JumpCrisscross 9y ago
> Do you think i am entirely wrong, and suffering is worse than death? Yes. Read reports of torture victims. They frequently request death over continued pain.
- Sacho 9y ago
  Torture violates several points of the hypothetical: - torture causes permanent physical damage - torture causes mental trauma - the torture victim does not know when the torture will stop
stordoff 9y ago
> Do you think i am entirely wrong, and suffering is worse than death? In some cases, certainly. I'd also say that it being voluntary, and knowing that there is an end (and can be brought to an end by you), makes for a very different experience.

by chr1 9y ago

blattimwind 9y ago

My gut feeling is that you do very little work with your hands, because your pain-o-meter seems to have drifted in a very unrealistic direction.

dsfyu404ed 9y ago
I agree. I'd do a heck of a lot more unsafe shit if I knew I could survive it without permanent damage. It's the permanent damage that keeps me from doing flagrantly unsafe stuff, not the pain. You wind up causing yourself pain in all sorts of avoidable but not terribly unsafe ways.
- myrandomcomment 9y ago
  It's is amazing the pain and suffering a human can endure through shear force of will. In Ranger School in the US Army the primary thing you learn more then anything else is you mind can tell your body to shut up deal.

TomMarius 9y ago

I think you severely underestimate how much painful torture is.

dsfyu404ed 9y ago
If you knew there would be no permanent damage would you do it for $10, $100, $1,000, some amount that assures you never have to work again, etc? There's many cultures that have coming of age rituals that would be considered torture in the western world. People do those things because they're "part of a larger package" so to speak.
- Tyrannosaur 9y ago
  There being "many cultures" that do this, I'd like to hear some examples. The only ones I can come up with are fictional
  - lovich 9y ago
    These are the most extreme example I know of, but it's a lot of pain for a manhood ritual https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maw%C3%A9_people https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maw%C3%A9_people
  - Terretta 9y ago
    Random cut and pastes: THAIPUSAM, MALAYSIA In a demonstration of devotion and offer of penance to the Hindu God Lord Murugan, devotees perform incredible (and sometimes gruesome!) feats. They pierce their body and face with skewers, drag chariots with hooks attached to their skin and carry uncomfortable metal frames called ‘kavadis’ through the streets and up the 272 steps to the shrine at the top of the cave. During the festival some participants enter trance-like states when their soul is believed to be cleansed of sins. PHUKET VEGETARIAN FESTIVAL, THAILAND By the name of this festival you may assume it to be a gentle affair where new-age vegetarian hippies share tofu recipes over yoga mats in Thailand. However, the Phuket Vegetarian festival is one of the craziest, most spectacular events in South East Asia. You’ll witness incredible acts of self-torture such as walking on hot coals, climbing bladed ladders and the piercing of cheeks with swords, shards of glass – even beach umbrellas. Filipino fanatics re-enact crucifixion for Good Friday In a bloody display of religious devotion Roman Catholic fanatics in the Philippines have had themselves nailed to the cross as the Christian world marks the day Jesus was crucified. Read the link for quotes from people talking about the repeated nerve pain, blood, etc.: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-06/philippino-fanatics-crucify-themselves-for-good-friday/3937448 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-06/philippino-fanatics-cr...

JumpCrisscross 9y ago

> Do you think i am entirely wrong, and suffering is worse than death? Yes. Read reports of torture victims. They frequently request death over continued pain.

Sacho 9y ago
Torture violates several points of the hypothetical: - torture causes permanent physical damage - torture causes mental trauma - the torture victim does not know when the torture will stop

stordoff 9y ago

> Do you think i am entirely wrong, and suffering is worse than death? In some cases, certainly. I'd also say that it being voluntary, and knowing that there is an end (and can be brought to an end by you), makes for a very different experience.