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I've done this as an amateur. Medical grade ketamine isn't the hardest thing to find and I do not have the money to do it professionally. A few years ago I rem

by LaikaF 9y ago

I've done this as an amateur. Medical grade ketamine isn't the hardest thing to find and I do not have the money to do it professionally. A few years ago I remember my first time taking ketamine at all I went from near suicidal to feeling completely fine pretty much over night. I think that the "side effects" as the article put it are actually pretty helpful. The dissociation gives you a sort of third person view of your problems and life that is very helpful in my opinion. I found that eventually it stops being as effective but I think there has been some permanent changes. My lows don't feel as low anymore. I still have down periods but they're no where as bad as they used to be. More recently I've just stuck to antidepressants (I take an NDRI) and vitamin D3. I've tried some analogs of ketamine (2fdck, dck) and hope they take a look at some of them to see if there can be similar effects.

Judgmentality 9y ago
> Medical grade ketamine isn't the hardest thing to find How do you know the quality?
- LaikaF 9y ago
  I wouldn't trust it for injection unless it came in medical vial. It's on the darknet, though more expensive than powdered Ketamine.
  - rubicon33 9y ago
    How do you trust anything you get on the darknet?
    - bbrian 9y ago
      You roll the dice, having learned the odds are in your favour. "The primary sources of street Ketamine in China include diversion or theft of legal pharmaceuticals from medical or veterinary licit trade with some supplies also manufactured in clandestine laboratories (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 2010). It is therefore believed that the purity and the quality of street ketamine is high (no research data available) contributing to its increasing popularity among drug users in China." (2014) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4004368/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4004368/
    - pouta 9y ago
      I think the easiest answer is by testing it. I don't think a purity and substance test isn't that expensive.
    - kakarot 9y ago
      In any system where an actor can be either honest or dishonest but certain qualities of correctness can be probabilistically ascertained, consensus is often a great replacement for trust. In the case of an anonymous decentralized marketplace, vendor attributes like product quality can be ascertained by achieving consensus in the form of ratings and reviews. Ultimately, without running the product through a mass spectrometer yourself, you are going to have to defer trust, so consensus aims to reduce the likelihood of dishonesty over an average. For people in some parts of the world, the level of trustworthiness gauged from online marketplaces can supersede the level of trust given to local vendors. Take Amazon for example, which, while not anonymous, uses consensus to assure quality in the form of validated reviews. Many people already prefer shopping by reviews than by trial-and-error at brick and mortar stores.
    - icelancer 9y ago
      How do you trust anything funded by companies who desire slanted research? You trade one governing body for another. In the darknet's case, you lean on consensus and ratings.
hiram112 9y ago
I'd be interested to know what you've exhausted. Obviously Lexapro and friends. And the tricyclics. And novels. Nardil or Parnate?
- LaikaF 9y ago
  Zoloft, remron, stratera, and a few I can't remember. Also tried Ritalin for ADHD though not sure I have that vs being depressed making me unable to focus. Found modafinil and armodafinil better for that purpose. Currently take bupropion. Wouldn't take a maoi inhibitor due to the diet restrictions. Have also tried 5htp but stopped when I started getting brain fog. Haven't tried a tricyclic that I can remember. Won't take an ssri again because brain zaps scare me and zoloft made me feel like a zombie. In the dissociative corner I've tried, ketamine, dck, 2fdck, MXE, 2oxopce 3meopce, 3meopcp, 3hopce, 3hopcp, Ephenidine, dxm, PCP, MXP and N2O. Would love to try Xenon but good luck with that. I've had friends suggest trying microdosing but that doesn't seem sustainable to me.
raducu 9y ago
Is the NDRI you are taking bupropion?
- LaikaF 9y ago
  Yup. XR version.

by LaikaF 9y ago

Judgmentality 9y ago

> Medical grade ketamine isn't the hardest thing to find How do you know the quality?

LaikaF 9y ago
I wouldn't trust it for injection unless it came in medical vial. It's on the darknet, though more expensive than powdered Ketamine.
- rubicon33 9y ago
  How do you trust anything you get on the darknet?
  - bbrian 9y ago
    You roll the dice, having learned the odds are in your favour. "The primary sources of street Ketamine in China include diversion or theft of legal pharmaceuticals from medical or veterinary licit trade with some supplies also manufactured in clandestine laboratories (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 2010). It is therefore believed that the purity and the quality of street ketamine is high (no research data available) contributing to its increasing popularity among drug users in China." (2014) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4004368/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4004368/
  - pouta 9y ago
    I think the easiest answer is by testing it. I don't think a purity and substance test isn't that expensive.
  - kakarot 9y ago
    In any system where an actor can be either honest or dishonest but certain qualities of correctness can be probabilistically ascertained, consensus is often a great replacement for trust. In the case of an anonymous decentralized marketplace, vendor attributes like product quality can be ascertained by achieving consensus in the form of ratings and reviews. Ultimately, without running the product through a mass spectrometer yourself, you are going to have to defer trust, so consensus aims to reduce the likelihood of dishonesty over an average. For people in some parts of the world, the level of trustworthiness gauged from online marketplaces can supersede the level of trust given to local vendors. Take Amazon for example, which, while not anonymous, uses consensus to assure quality in the form of validated reviews. Many people already prefer shopping by reviews than by trial-and-error at brick and mortar stores.
  - icelancer 9y ago
    How do you trust anything funded by companies who desire slanted research? You trade one governing body for another. In the darknet's case, you lean on consensus and ratings.

hiram112 9y ago

I'd be interested to know what you've exhausted. Obviously Lexapro and friends. And the tricyclics. And novels. Nardil or Parnate?

LaikaF 9y ago
Zoloft, remron, stratera, and a few I can't remember. Also tried Ritalin for ADHD though not sure I have that vs being depressed making me unable to focus. Found modafinil and armodafinil better for that purpose. Currently take bupropion. Wouldn't take a maoi inhibitor due to the diet restrictions. Have also tried 5htp but stopped when I started getting brain fog. Haven't tried a tricyclic that I can remember. Won't take an ssri again because brain zaps scare me and zoloft made me feel like a zombie. In the dissociative corner I've tried, ketamine, dck, 2fdck, MXE, 2oxopce 3meopce, 3meopcp, 3hopce, 3hopcp, Ephenidine, dxm, PCP, MXP and N2O. Would love to try Xenon but good luck with that. I've had friends suggest trying microdosing but that doesn't seem sustainable to me.

raducu 9y ago

Is the NDRI you are taking bupropion?

LaikaF 9y ago
Yup. XR version.