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Well, those are not really SMEs with high quality jobs either... I'll happily accept your word that Amazon's sweatshops are better than X's sweatshop - but tha

by fnl 9y ago

Well, those are not really SMEs with high quality jobs either... I'll happily accept your word that Amazon's sweatshops are better than X's sweatshop - but that just makes more shitty jobs...

guitarbill 9y ago
Ah yes, the world without "shitty jobs" utopia. "Shitty" as compared to what? Who should do those jobs? Robots? Assuming what parent said is true, except for paying employees much more than competitors and education options, what should they do in your opinion to make the jobs less "shitty"?
- fnl 9y ago
  Doesn't matter, that bright future is an Utopia, as you already correctly derived. So the question becomes, how to avoid the opposite, the dark future of extreme inequality that our world is steering into. Which brings us back on track: Taxing corporations by revenue, not gains, thereby allowing for a better distribution of wealth.
- pessimizer 9y ago
  > Ah yes, the world without "shitty jobs" utopia. "Shitty" as compared to what? Who should do those jobs? Robots? For the life of me I can't figure out how this argument would be different if we were talking about actual slaves rather than terrible jobs. If we decide that labor standards are shitty, we dictate that wages be raised, that children not work, that machines be as safe as possible, etc.
  - guitarbill 9y ago
    My issue was with "shitty", which is pretty vague. Whatever you consider the bottom tier = "shitty", okay, let's do something about those. Now, bottom tier = "shitty" again. Okay, so we need to define a minimum limit of shittiness, which we're all happy with. That is called minimum wage, labour protections, etc. And this differs from country to country, depending on how society values people with limited options. Of the top of my head, two things that would predict this are a countries wealth, and how much influence corporations have in the political system, i.e. how broken/corrupt it is. However, I must admit that I'm living in a fairly wealthy and "socialist" European country, so it's easy for me to say. I can't figure out if OP is hating the game or the player (Amazon), but the former is a bit of a tangent w.r.t. to the article.

by fnl 9y ago

Well, those are not really SMEs with high quality jobs either... I'll happily accept your word that Amazon's sweatshops are better than X's sweatshop - but that just makes more shitty jobs...

guitarbill 9y ago

Ah yes, the world without "shitty jobs" utopia. "Shitty" as compared to what? Who should do those jobs? Robots? Assuming what parent said is true, except for paying employees much more than competitors and education options, what should they do in your opinion to make the jobs less "shitty"?

fnl 9y ago
Doesn't matter, that bright future is an Utopia, as you already correctly derived. So the question becomes, how to avoid the opposite, the dark future of extreme inequality that our world is steering into. Which brings us back on track: Taxing corporations by revenue, not gains, thereby allowing for a better distribution of wealth.
pessimizer 9y ago
> Ah yes, the world without "shitty jobs" utopia. "Shitty" as compared to what? Who should do those jobs? Robots? For the life of me I can't figure out how this argument would be different if we were talking about actual slaves rather than terrible jobs. If we decide that labor standards are shitty, we dictate that wages be raised, that children not work, that machines be as safe as possible, etc.
- guitarbill 9y ago
  My issue was with "shitty", which is pretty vague. Whatever you consider the bottom tier = "shitty", okay, let's do something about those. Now, bottom tier = "shitty" again. Okay, so we need to define a minimum limit of shittiness, which we're all happy with. That is called minimum wage, labour protections, etc. And this differs from country to country, depending on how society values people with limited options. Of the top of my head, two things that would predict this are a countries wealth, and how much influence corporations have in the political system, i.e. how broken/corrupt it is. However, I must admit that I'm living in a fairly wealthy and "socialist" European country, so it's easy for me to say. I can't figure out if OP is hating the game or the player (Amazon), but the former is a bit of a tangent w.r.t. to the article.