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Though who says you have to be productive? If I have a few $M in retirement saved up. I could care less about being productive. Productive is all relative.

Though who says you have to be productive? If I have a few $M in retirement saved up. I could care less about being productive. Productive is all relative. If no one pays you to dig holes and fill them in again, then the productivity is infinite. Building ships in bottles is futile to most, but productive to an old man.

scarface74 9y ago
No one, my parents retired at 55 and haven't been "productive" in the GDP sense for over 20 years. The original post that I replied to said but what doesn't make sense to me is that you loose all future productivity and value that these people create.
- ineedasername 9y ago
  And yet how much may they have indirectly boosted the GDP by being of value to the family and friends around them, subtly adding to the support network that allows others to contribute more directly ti the GDP. And besides, who is insane enough to so narrowly define existential worth solely as a function and GDP contribution? A good healthcare system might greatly help such a person avoid those negative and irrational patterns of thouht.
  - scarface74 9y ago
    That's true. Most of my cousins -- all female - stayed in my home town because it really helps having their parents around so they can work and not have to worry about childcare because they have their parents. When I was growing up, my grandfather or aunts would come pick me up if I was sick, take me to doctors appointments, etc. My dad worked in a factory and it was harder for him to get off of work in the spur of the moment and my mom could not just take time off in the middle of the day as a teacher. I've been married for a little while and have a teenage step son. We never really had extended family that lived around. We had to arrange our lifestyles to give us the maximum flexibility. My wife got a job that would allow here to be on the school system schedule and I have a flexible job that allows me to me work from home, work odd hours if I need to, etc. We also are fortunate enough to have teenage sons. When we really just can't get to our son in time to pick him up or take him somewhere we just tell him to order an Uber. I wouldn't do that if I had a daughter. I do see people in similar situations to ours who aren't so fortunate, when they need to take time off of work to deal with family issues, they have to use vacation or sick time or even worse take unpaid time off. If they had their parents around and healthy, it would make their life easier.

scarface74 9y ago

No one, my parents retired at 55 and haven't been "productive" in the GDP sense for over 20 years. The original post that I replied to said but what doesn't make sense to me is that you loose all future productivity and value that these people create.

ineedasername 9y ago
And yet how much may they have indirectly boosted the GDP by being of value to the family and friends around them, subtly adding to the support network that allows others to contribute more directly ti the GDP. And besides, who is insane enough to so narrowly define existential worth solely as a function and GDP contribution? A good healthcare system might greatly help such a person avoid those negative and irrational patterns of thouht.
- scarface74 9y ago
  That's true. Most of my cousins -- all female - stayed in my home town because it really helps having their parents around so they can work and not have to worry about childcare because they have their parents. When I was growing up, my grandfather or aunts would come pick me up if I was sick, take me to doctors appointments, etc. My dad worked in a factory and it was harder for him to get off of work in the spur of the moment and my mom could not just take time off in the middle of the day as a teacher. I've been married for a little while and have a teenage step son. We never really had extended family that lived around. We had to arrange our lifestyles to give us the maximum flexibility. My wife got a job that would allow here to be on the school system schedule and I have a flexible job that allows me to me work from home, work odd hours if I need to, etc. We also are fortunate enough to have teenage sons. When we really just can't get to our son in time to pick him up or take him somewhere we just tell him to order an Uber. I wouldn't do that if I had a daughter. I do see people in similar situations to ours who aren't so fortunate, when they need to take time off of work to deal with family issues, they have to use vacation or sick time or even worse take unpaid time off. If they had their parents around and healthy, it would make their life easier.