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87% muslim country. Not a surprising move at all.

imartin2k 9y ago
It’s actually a bit more complicated. The Islam traditionally practiced in Indonesia has been well known for being comparatively tolerant and for promoting pluralism. So the issue is not the fact of being predominantly a Muslim country in itself, but growing influence coming from conservative forces in the Middle East (which, indeed, is not all that surprising). The largest Islamic organization in the country and traditionally the biggest proponent of a moderate Islam, Nahdlatul Ulama, is clearly naming the problem: Wahhabism. "It is false and counterproductive to claim that the actions of al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram and other such groups have nothing to do with Islam, or merely represent a perversion of Islamic teachings. They are, in fact, outgrowths of Wahhabism and other fundamentalist streams of Sunni Islam," Yaqut said." http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/05/25/humanitarian-islam-movement-begins-in-east-java.html http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/05/25/humanitarian-i... Interesting read about the same topic here http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/indonesias-moderate-islam-is-slowly-crumbling/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/indonesias-moderate-isla... It's definitely sad to see the moderate forces lose against the foreign-funded supporters of extremist views in what otherwise is a beautiful country.
- bocahrokok 9y ago
  As indonesian, i couldnt be agree more with this.its complicated. Especially if everythings what you did needs to be related with religion(goverment, business, relation) You cant hide it. Many people worried with the future in here
SamReidHughes 9y ago
Not surprising, but the USA also had laws like this being enforced in the 90's.
- clicea 9y ago
  I'm skeptical of your claim, may be on the books but enforced? Even taking you at face value this is a clear case of whataboutism. Finally errors of almost 30 years ago give these assholes a pass how?
  - SamReidHughes 9y ago
    See Lawrence v. Texas.
    - clicea 9y ago
      Point taken, but it was more of a relic, rarely enforced. My other comments stand, this is irrelevant to this discussion.
      - SamReidHughes 9y ago
        Yes it is relevant, the point being that it's not a uniquely Islamic phenomenon.
        clicea 9y ago
        Way to go with your whataboutism, nobody claimed it was solely Islamic. It's disingenuous to equate current state Islam acceptance of homosexuality with current acceptance in Christianity. You just want to inject "I'm not a racist" signal.
        SamReidHughes 9y ago
        It's called injecting some perspective.

It’s actually a bit more complicated. The Islam traditionally practiced in Indonesia has been well known for being comparatively tolerant and for promoting pluralism. So the issue is not the fact of being predominantly a Muslim country in itself, but growing influence coming from conservative forces in the Middle East (which, indeed, is not all that surprising). The largest Islamic organization in the country and traditionally the biggest proponent of a moderate Islam, Nahdlatul Ulama, is clearly naming the problem: Wahhabism. "It is false and counterproductive to claim that the actions of al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram and other such groups have nothing to do with Islam, or merely represent a perversion of Islamic teachings. They are, in fact, outgrowths of Wahhabism and other fundamentalist streams of Sunni Islam," Yaqut said." http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/05/25/humanitarian-islam-movement-begins-in-east-java.html http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/05/25/humanitarian-i... Interesting read about the same topic here http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/indonesias-moderate-islam-is-slowly-crumbling/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/indonesias-moderate-isla... It's definitely sad to see the moderate forces lose against the foreign-funded supporters of extremist views in what otherwise is a beautiful country.

bocahrokok 9y ago
As indonesian, i couldnt be agree more with this.its complicated. Especially if everythings what you did needs to be related with religion(goverment, business, relation) You cant hide it. Many people worried with the future in here

SamReidHughes 9y ago

Not surprising, but the USA also had laws like this being enforced in the 90's.

clicea 9y ago
I'm skeptical of your claim, may be on the books but enforced? Even taking you at face value this is a clear case of whataboutism. Finally errors of almost 30 years ago give these assholes a pass how?
- SamReidHughes 9y ago
  See Lawrence v. Texas.
  - clicea 9y ago
    Point taken, but it was more of a relic, rarely enforced. My other comments stand, this is irrelevant to this discussion.
    - SamReidHughes 9y ago
      Yes it is relevant, the point being that it's not a uniquely Islamic phenomenon.
      - clicea 9y ago
        Way to go with your whataboutism, nobody claimed it was solely Islamic. It's disingenuous to equate current state Islam acceptance of homosexuality with current acceptance in Christianity. You just want to inject "I'm not a racist" signal.
        SamReidHughes 9y ago
        It's called injecting some perspective.