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As far as I can tell from the issues, previous versions of his software loaded the chat service in question's website in a browser, and then either applied a cu

As far as I can tell from the issues, previous versions of his software loaded the chat service in question's website in a browser, and then either applied a custom stylesheet to the webpage or attempted to extract portions of the HTML content for display. eul.im literally never was minimal. He can keep saying it's minimal software, but until he produces something that both consistently works and doesn't consume orders of magnitude more storage than claimed, his words mean nothing. Again, current, literal reality is an issues page documenting myriad problems from crashes, blank screens, mangled displays, absence of advertised features, and claims of updated versions that still have not arrived.

owenversteeg 9y ago
Look, it's an issues page, and it's one-man free software. He's a few days late with the update for a free piece of software, so what? The dude's earning $11 a month on Patreon. Give him a damn break. Not to be grumpy to you, but I'd like to defend him. He's got an extremely noble goal. Those that "get it" really get it, and those that don't don't. I'm fed up with using several different shitty closed source apps that take up gigs of ram at a time, and I've tried to write my own version of what he's done, and I've failed at it. It's incredibly hard. Particularly because the companies are locked in a neverending cat and mouse trying to stop apps like this. Also, based on everything I've seen off of RAM/CPU usage while running there's absolutely no way he's using an embedded webpage. I'd be happy to be corrected here though.
- pharrington 9y ago
  I am quite familiar with one person free software projects. I use quite a few, and have released one myself. The variety and severity of problems in eul.im over such a short period of time is aberrant. He claimed Discord support since 15/09/2017 - two months later, Discord support still wasn't available. He's been claiming since 28/09/2017 that he'd submit his app to Homebrew. As of four hours ago, he never said a peep to his mailing list about progress on the new version. The app definitely used an embedded browser for authentication. That isn't speculation. He says the new version is rewritten to be a native app, as oppposed to what it was before. My assertion that the app used the browser for displaying content is speculation, but it is consistent with both the previous known behavior and the app's dysfunctions. The cool thing about software is that you can just examine the software to see what it does; too bad none of us will ever definitively know what his software did since he is deliberately hiding the previous versions from new eyes. His history at best demonstrates incompetence. If the thing he is trying to do indeed is hard, than he is incompetent at doing a hard thing. One's reach exceeding his grasp is fine and necessary for personal growth - but in that case, do not lie and say you are delivering something you cannot deliver. If you are learning, say as much. Perhaps ask for help, perhaps keep previous attempts public so they can be analyzed by people trying something similar and by those with more experience. Perhaps upload your source code for the same reason. Do not put download links on your homepage that launch a popup saying there is no download.
  - amedvednikov 9y ago
    It was not a native app because I was using OpenGL to render content, not a browser.
amedvednikov 9y ago
This is not correct. The browser was used only for authentication. It is no longer downloaded. I wasn't working on eul full-time. Now I am (starting this month). So the development process is going to be a lot faster.

owenversteeg 9y ago

Look, it's an issues page, and it's one-man free software. He's a few days late with the update for a free piece of software, so what? The dude's earning $11 a month on Patreon. Give him a damn break. Not to be grumpy to you, but I'd like to defend him. He's got an extremely noble goal. Those that "get it" really get it, and those that don't don't. I'm fed up with using several different shitty closed source apps that take up gigs of ram at a time, and I've tried to write my own version of what he's done, and I've failed at it. It's incredibly hard. Particularly because the companies are locked in a neverending cat and mouse trying to stop apps like this. Also, based on everything I've seen off of RAM/CPU usage while running there's absolutely no way he's using an embedded webpage. I'd be happy to be corrected here though.

pharrington 9y ago
I am quite familiar with one person free software projects. I use quite a few, and have released one myself. The variety and severity of problems in eul.im over such a short period of time is aberrant. He claimed Discord support since 15/09/2017 - two months later, Discord support still wasn't available. He's been claiming since 28/09/2017 that he'd submit his app to Homebrew. As of four hours ago, he never said a peep to his mailing list about progress on the new version. The app definitely used an embedded browser for authentication. That isn't speculation. He says the new version is rewritten to be a native app, as oppposed to what it was before. My assertion that the app used the browser for displaying content is speculation, but it is consistent with both the previous known behavior and the app's dysfunctions. The cool thing about software is that you can just examine the software to see what it does; too bad none of us will ever definitively know what his software did since he is deliberately hiding the previous versions from new eyes. His history at best demonstrates incompetence. If the thing he is trying to do indeed is hard, than he is incompetent at doing a hard thing. One's reach exceeding his grasp is fine and necessary for personal growth - but in that case, do not lie and say you are delivering something you cannot deliver. If you are learning, say as much. Perhaps ask for help, perhaps keep previous attempts public so they can be analyzed by people trying something similar and by those with more experience. Perhaps upload your source code for the same reason. Do not put download links on your homepage that launch a popup saying there is no download.
- amedvednikov 9y ago
  It was not a native app because I was using OpenGL to render content, not a browser.

amedvednikov 9y ago

This is not correct. The browser was used only for authentication. It is no longer downloaded. I wasn't working on eul full-time. Now I am (starting this month). So the development process is going to be a lot faster.